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Old 07-15-2012, 08:30 PM   #421
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One of the first things I thought when the scandal broke is that everybody should be cleaned out to get rid of the stench, starting with the Board of Trustees. Their decision to keep Joe Paterno's statue up only solidifies my thought back then.

Joe Paterno's statue to remain at Penn State, sources say - ESPN

I find a few things sickening and disturbing.

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"You can't let people stampede you into making a rash decision," a trustee said. "The statue represents the good that Joe did. It doesn't represent the bad that he did."
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"It has to stay up," said another trustee. "We have to let a number of months pass, and we'll address it again. But there is no way, no way. It's just not coming down."
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But privately, Peetz, board member Ken Frazier and most of the other trustees, whose leadership on the Sandusky matter as a whole was harshly criticized by the Freeh report, spoke adamantly about the need to keep the statue standing, the sources told "Outside the Lines." They said they hoped the passage of time would prove to be an ally, sources said.

The trustees "are hoping they can have more time pass and people will forget about it and then it won't come down," one trustee said.
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Some alumni groups have continued to call for resignations of trustees, and one trustee said this about the statue: "We don't want to further upset the alumni."

One trustee said the board is learning from its past mistakes.

These quotes tell me that they indeed haven't learned. They are still idolizing a man who covered up child molesting, they are still putting the football team before the sake of people's well being. They are worried about alumni's and donors. Does anybody actually believe these people are going to shut the football system down?...lol No, and they were a huge part of what happened at PSU. Most of the BoTs and high ranking PSU officials ran in the same circles. My guess is the BoT heard the whispers and knew, but didn't really care as long as that endowment grew and the cash cow kept mooing.

I told my parents today that if PSU doesn't take down that statue, I'll drive my jeep down to college state and take it out myself. It's a crime shame that the alumni and fans haven't done this very thing, but they are part of the reason Joe and crew did what they did. They put football before all else. JR, you want to represent me bro when I do?


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It's hard to really believe any of the "good" he did was even sincere or true anymore. If he covered (or at least helped cover) this up, why should I believe he was always on the up with smaller things like recruiting?

Well, we do know that all this good he's done was not sincere, but yet a mere ploy to raise his legend and status among humanity. You only need to look at Jerry Sandusky to understand this. Many in PA believe that Sandusky was a bigger "saint" than Joe. His relentless work with the 2nd Mile charity and his time giving/helping to all those children in need. Much greater than Joe's effort to say the least. However, we also know that Jerry's work wasn't sincere either, and probably a ploy to help cover his guilt of the crimes he's committed.



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In many ways it's only symbolic but remove his name from buildings, take down the statue, remove funding for the school, shut the program down. Don't shut it down before 2013 or even 2014 though. Give the players on the roster right now the opportunity to transfer. Waive the one year waiting period to play after a transfer for these students.
Nike has already followed in the direction you suggest with their removal of his name from their Child Development Center.

Nike removes Joe Paterno’s name from its child development center | Dr. Saturday - Yahoo! Sports

Not sure how you can have his (or any of them) name on anything connected with PSU and go forward.
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Old 07-16-2012, 10:29 AM   #422
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It truly is horrible. I do think that this issue didn't occur just because these 4 are bad people. The issue here is the money and power that comes with college football. This could've happened at any school. With all the money involved it was just easier, in their minds, to ignore the issue or minimize it.

I'm not trying to diminish how horrible it is; I just think we need to take a long hard look at what college sports, particular mens football and basketball, have become. Saying its all on Joe Pa., and that's it, is a gross simplification of the entire problem (too much money in college sports). All that being said, its pathetic these 4, and the Board, let something llike this happen.
You'd like to think (perhaps naively) that, even as far as coaches/institutions will go to test the limits of what's acceptable behavior, there's a line that any decent human being knows should not be crossed.
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Old 07-16-2012, 10:53 AM   #423
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The fact that the BoT is letting a statue of a child molester enabler continue to stand after the fact tells us everything we need to know. I still hope the NCAA gives the football program the death penalty. Their continued support for Paterno because of all the "good" he's done just shows they still aren't taking this seriously enough. Just put the hammer on them NCAA, and let it be a lesson. Because if they don't, it's a victory for other pervs taking advantage of their positions elsewhere.
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Where will the money come when PSU is sued? It shouldnt be the taxpayers who pick up the bill. School should have to reach into all its donations and atheletic fund.
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Old 07-16-2012, 11:34 AM   #425
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Where will the money come when PSU is sued? It shouldnt be the taxpayers who pick up the bill. School should have to reach into all its donations and atheletic fund.
Maybe that's why the statue is up still? To not upset the trustees who give the donations that the payments for civil suits will come from? Just speculating

And as gung ho as I was last week on the death penalty, it does not need to be carefully vetted out. There needs to be a plan in place that won't punish current players and the rest of the conference as well
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Maybe that's why the statue is up still? To not upset the trustees who give the donations that the payments for civil suits will come from? Just speculating

And as gung ho as I was last week on the death penalty, it does not need to be carefully vetted out. There needs to be a plan in place that won't punish current players and the rest of the conference as well
I dont know about "death penalty", but I would think at the least the football team should be suspended at least 1 year and all football activities and multiple sanctions there after (multiple loss of bowls, 10+ scholarship yanked for several years, etc.). Its unfortunate for the current players, but my head cant get pass the fact the protection of the football program was more important than the protection of kids. I just cant let that go, and neither should the NCAA.
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You'd like to think (perhaps naively) that, even as far as coaches/institutions will go to test the limits of what's acceptable behavior, there's a line that any decent human being knows should not be crossed.
I would hope so. Or does absolute power corrupt all?
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VIDEO: NCAA President Mark Emmert will not rule out death penalty for Penn State - CBSSports.com
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:26 PM   #430
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And now there's 3 accusers saying Sandusky molested them in the 70's/80's. I didn't think all the molesting started in the 90's but the fact that it probably happened for over 3 decades is just mind-boggling.
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Old 07-17-2012, 01:12 PM   #431
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Guys, look, the statue is coming down. In fact, if it's still up whenever PSU plays its next game I'll ride with NC Skins and help tear it down. Actually I won't, but I'll ride along and will defend NC once he gets arrested. While I can't prove it, I'm reasonably sure that these Board member quotes arguing that the statue should stay up are coming from one of the five or so new members elected this year after running on pro-Paterno platforms. People like this: New Penn State Trustee Anthony Lubrano needs a dose of this little thing called reality (Video) | Larry Brown Sports

I do need to pushback against what I think has really been some piling on, here and other places. First, I'm not sure people realize that Penn State commissioned and paid for the Freeh Report. They didn't have to do that. More importantly, if they were trying to further suppress this story (as changing the channel in the student union is supposedly evidence of) they wouldn't have taken the lead in commissioning this type of report, or they would have farmed it out to someone less capable and unbiased than a former FBI director. The school has made some mistakes but it is trying to do the right thing moving forward and isn't getting enough credit for that. Everyone got fired, including Paterno before we knew the extent of his involvement (which ended up costing several board members their positions, not profiles in courage but still.) This stuff about changing the channel in the student union is an example. What do you think is more likely? That this was an order from up high to keep students in the dark? (Students who have like internet and stuff.) Or that this was the decision of some 12 dollar an hour shift mananager who probably has never been trained in PR and working under international media scrutiny? If they wanted to suppress this stuff they wouldn't have commissioned the report, simple as that.

SS, I don't get why you are so concerned about football players who had nothing to do with this but want federal scholarship funding cut for students who similarly had nothing to do with any of this, scholarships that allowed people like me to attend the most expensive state school in the country and are basically responsible for everything that I now have in my life. I get why people are angry but to just vindictively wish pain on anyone who has any PSU affiliation at all is just mean, and to show solicitude for football players (who can just transfer to a comparable institution easily) but not for regular students (who can't) is just perverse. I really don't get it.
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djnemo, I had a feeling you would show up once the dust settled down in this thread, and to be clear, I don't have anything against most of the students that go to Penn State. Granted, I don't agree with the ones who are still supporting Paterno post-Freeh report, and I don't agree with his family, who are clearly only doing this to try and protect what remains of his tarnished legacy, but I don't have any desire to have their funding cut or for Penn State to get the academic death penalty.

I do think the football program should receive the death penalty though, and it's primarily based upon the fact that the man responsible for 3 decades of on-field success enabled a child molester for at least 10 years, and potentially more. I feel that nullifies any success they had on the field, and I think by allowing the football team to continue to exist will only invite more disruption and will serve to keep a volatile situation continuing long after the fact. I understand that doing so could potentially hurt all those players on the team today who haven't had anything to do with this, but unfortunately this is bigger than them and if they want to continue to play, they should have the option to transfer to another school and have the one-year dq waived. Every game they play as the Penn State football team could serve as a scene for a potential riot, with thousands of dissenters showing up to voice their opposition.

By giving the football program the death penalty, the NCAA would be serving an effective warning that if the country continues to put coaches and football programs up on a god-like pedestal, they would continue to let the opportunity for lies, deceit, and extreme misconduct like what happened at Penn State continue uninterrupted. I understand if you disagree completely, but a situation of this magnitude has to be dealt with appropriately. It wasn't just the fact that Jerry Sandusky did irreparable damage to these kids, it was also the fact that Spanier, Schultz, Curley, and Paterno put the reputation of their nationally renowned football program ahead of the welfare of the kids he harmed. For that, I think their nationally renowned football program shouldn't continue to exist.

I also understand much of what I just said isn't what your post is about, but I felt the need to clarify my opinion on this one.
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I disagree with those people too Mooby, although their numbers are dwindling.

People realize that the death penalty means a 1-2 year ban from competition right? If anyone thinks that the NCAA is going to discontinue PSU football forever you're going to be disappointed. Personally, I questioned whether the NCAA has the authority to get involved in a criminal matter initially (and still do) although increasingly I'm thinking that a one or even two year ban might be in the best interests of the school going forward, given that people don't seem very receptive to legalistic jurisdictional arguments about NCAA bylaws. Although when schools have covered up rapes of young women instead of men to protect their football teams I don't remember this level of outrage. See eg: Colorado Lawsuit Alleged Rape Football Recruiting Party ; UM dean implicated 4 football players in gang rape, emails reveal ; This Is What Happens When You Accuse A Notre Dame Football Player Of Sexually Assaulting You

As long as we agree that schools like this should get similar penalties moving forward I have no problem with the death penalty being applied.

*Just to be clear I'm not saying that those incidents come close to the level of depravity we see in the Penn State case, only that if we are going to radically expand the jurisdiction of the NCAA we need to all understand that that is in fact what we're doing.

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Old 07-17-2012, 02:46 PM   #434
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Well, like I said DJ, it's how I felt at the moment. We're coming at this, of course, from two different perspectives. Penn State means a lot to you, and I know it means a lot to all those people who looked the other way and those who continue to justify/defend Paterno et al.

To me? Penn State means nothing. I've got friends with strong ties both past and present to Penn State. I'm sure it would sadden them to no end if Penn State is destroyed as an institution both academically and athletically. Hard for me to shed a tear though, as much as I know the damage could be far reaching.

Is it emotions talking? Sure, it probably is. But not unlike the emotions of those back in November who complained about people unfairly vilifying Joe Paterno
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I agree with Mooby. The NCAA need to send a simple message, football programs are not above child abuse. The motive to cover up what was the cash cow of football and the importance of football and the university reputation is simply unacceptable. College sports needs to step back and really question themselves and make a commitment of nothing like this must never happen again. 1 year suspension of all football activities would send the proper message.

Boo hoo if Penn State football team cant play for one year, thats the type of selfishness we need to step back and look at. Once again, you simply dont understand how serious this is if the arguement is current players shouldnt be punished. Its not about current players, its the institution of the god-like like football program that needs punishment. Got to send a message.
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