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Old 07-17-2012, 02:10 PM   #436
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Seems I'm not alone.


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Old 07-17-2012, 02:18 PM   #437
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Wait, so because people made irrational emotional arguments in November it's ok for you to make irrational emotional arguments now? I mean that's your argument right? You mean nothing to me SS, I mean I like it when you have inside info on the Skins but you're really just an avatar to me ... but that doesn't mean I want bad things to happen to you. In fact, I don't. Although the idea that PSU could be destroyed not only as a sports school (which is possible) but as an academic entity (which is not) reconfirms what other posts of yours have shown (and I'm talking about the facepalm-worthy post in November that speculated that state funding cuts might lead to Penn State closing up shop): that you have basically no idea how higher education works, how schools are funded, and what a reduction in federal aid money and football revenue for a grant-driven research school like Penn State would mean. Penn State currently is about 90 percent privately funded (and less than .5 percent of its budget comes from the Federal government, and then only in the form of Agricultural grants) and there have been calls from within for years to bump that up to 100 percent. The thinking is, if we're basically already a private school why not go all the way? The idea that by cutting scholarships to needy kids you precipitate the collapse of the school - rather than just further shutting out regular people like me from the best non-ivy league education one can get in PA - shows that you're a little bit out of your element here. I'm not saying you should understand this, only that you don't. And you don't. Peaceout.
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Old 07-17-2012, 02:57 PM   #438
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Guys, look, the statue is coming down. In fact, if it's still up whenever PSU plays its next game I'll ride with NC Skins and help tear it down. Actually I won't, but I'll ride along and will defend NC once he gets arrested. While I can't prove it, I'm reasonably sure that these Board member quotes arguing that the statue should stay up are coming from one of the five or so new members elected this year after running on pro-Paterno platforms. People like this: New Penn State Trustee Anthony Lubrano needs a dose of this little thing called reality (Video) | Larry Brown Sports
Thank you. I'll drop you off at the closet corner, right before I ram it. You can youtube it. I envision it going something like this.





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I do need to pushback against what I think has really been some piling on, here and other places. First, I'm not sure people realize that Penn State commissioned and paid for the Freeh Report. They didn't have to do that. More importantly, if they were trying to further suppress this story (as changing the channel in the student union is supposedly evidence of) they wouldn't have taken the lead in commissioning this type of report, or they would have farmed it out to someone less capable and unbiased than a former FBI director. The school has made some mistakes but it is trying to do the right thing moving forward and isn't getting enough credit for that. Everyone got fired, including Paterno before we knew the extent of his involvement (which ended up costing several board members their positions, not profiles in courage but still.) This stuff about changing the channel in the student union is an example. What do you think is more likely? That this was an order from up high to keep students in the dark? (Students who have like internet and stuff.) Or that this was the decision of some 12 dollar an hour shift mananager who probably has never been trained in PR and working under international media scrutiny? If they wanted to suppress this stuff they wouldn't have commissioned the report, simple as that.
You ask if the decision to pull the plug on the Freeh report being announced was the work of administrators or a 12/hr shift manager? I think the bigger question here is does it really matter?

Even if some 12/hr shift manager is pulling the plug, wouldn't that also show you how rooted the PSU football culture is? Protect the brand. Protect the brand. Now, not only do you have 3 administrators and 1 head coach protecting the brand, but now you have all the departments across campus following their lead. This is by far the main issue at hand here. The culture and atmosphere that has been created in which the well being of human beings comes second to PSU football and PSU university.


This where I stand. I think PSU football should die. I do believe the school itself should stand because it is a valuable educational institution, but I think the football culture has created a monster that will not stop unless it's killed. I assure you, if allowed to continue, something else in the future will also be covered up as well. In fact, there will be even a stronger case for these individuals to cover up the next incident because they are going to even look more out of control if they reveal it.

Also, the fact that you have guys like the BoT (linked above) spewing that garbage about how this wasn't a PSU scandal or a PSU football scandal is ridiculous. These are the exact types of people that allowed the mess to happen to begin with. People in denial. People that put PSU above all else. I'm with Matty when he says that anybody still defending JoePa should put a gun in their mouth and pull the trigger.
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Old 07-17-2012, 03:10 PM   #439
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I'm not sure what part of "this is emotion talking" is hard to grasp

But whatever.
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Old 07-17-2012, 03:21 PM   #440
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As for my November post, I'm pretty sure I was talking about a DOE "death penalty" not a total shut down of the university.
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Old 07-17-2012, 03:41 PM   #441
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I disagree with those people too Mooby, although their numbers are dwindling.

People realize that the death penalty means a 1-2 year ban from competition right? If anyone thinks that the NCAA is going to discontinue PSU football forever you're going to be disappointed. Personally, I questioned whether the NCAA has the authority to get involved in a criminal matter initially (and still do) although increasingly I'm thinking that a one or even two year ban might be in the best interests of the school going forward, given that people don't seem very receptive to legalistic jurisdictional arguments about NCAA bylaws. Although when schools have covered up rapes of young women instead of men to protect their football teams I don't remember this level of outrage. See eg: Colorado Lawsuit Alleged Rape Football Recruiting Party ; UM dean implicated 4 football players in gang rape, emails reveal ; This Is What Happens When You Accuse A Notre Dame Football Player Of Sexually Assaulting You

As long as we agree that schools like this should get similar penalties moving forward I have no problem with the death penalty being applied.

*Just to be clear I'm not saying that those incidents come close to the level of depravity we see in the Penn State case, only that if we are going to radically expand the jurisdiction of the NCAA we need to all understand that that is in fact what we're doing.
To be honest, I keep confusing myself on the death penalty. If the death penalty is only a 1 or 2 year ban, than I feel even more strongly that it be enforced, because 2 years of not playing football is miniscule compared to a decade of child abuse. I'm not sure what kind of penalty the NCAA will throw down here, but I think it could easily be the "death penalty." And I do agree with you in regards to the Colorado case mentioned above, any case where a football program is placed in higher regards than the welfare of any person is a case where harsh punishment should be meted out. I also say that as a fan of VT, knowing full well those words could come back to haunt me someday.
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Old 07-17-2012, 04:08 PM   #442
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Love it.

His Alma Mater, Brown Univ. has stripped Paterno's name off buildings and an annual award.
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Old 07-17-2012, 04:15 PM   #443
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I think a lot of PSU current and alumni students are embarrassed. They were once such a proud group now it has to hurt a bit when someone ask where you went to school. I see it on my sister and brother in laws faces.

My BIL took down a lot of his PSU stuff at his house. His fridge use to say "we are Penn State" when you opened it. He took that down.

They both still live in PA btw; I can only imagine how much more painfully it is for displaced PSU folks.

The folks responsible should be held accountable; I don't know how by tearing down the entire football and/or school is fair to folks who had nothing to do with this.

I also believe the statue of Joe P should be brought down as well out of respect for the victims. If it stays up and you are not a victim who cares it just a piece of metal I would not waste my time driving to happy valley to tear it down.
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Old 07-17-2012, 04:19 PM   #444
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Love it.

His Alma Mater, Brown Univ. has stripped Paterno's name off buildings and an annual award.
I don't know off memory many buildings named after him on that campus and I have walked it many times.

Plus they are still deciding what to do:

Brown University may take Paterno's name off award
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SS, I don't get why you are so concerned about football players who had nothing to do with this but want federal scholarship funding cut for students who similarly had nothing to do with any of this, scholarships that allowed people like me to attend the most expensive state school in the country and are basically responsible for everything that I now have in my life. I get why people are angry but to just vindictively wish pain on anyone who has any PSU affiliation at all is just mean, and to show solicitude for football players (who can just transfer to a comparable institution easily) but not for regular students (who can't) is just perverse. I really don't get it.
i dont think anyone with a rational thought process would wish vindictive pain on the current students and facilty that have had nothing to do with the sandusky case. i think people want to see penn state react faster than they have though, and the lack of public response has rubbbed alot of people the wrong way. it leads to the perception that penn state is too wrapped up in themselfs to identify the problem and find a solution. i feel sorry for all of the people with any affilitation to the school that are wrongly affected by this, but at the end of the day it's a bi-product of the university's wrong doing. and these students and facilty are not the only innocent people effected by this, the victims come first and foremost.

for the record i think the university should be able to continue with academics as normal, but the football program should be shut down for at least one year. and the university also needs to remove all ties to paterno, knowing what we now know there is no reason what so ever to continue any afiliation with that name. it's a very sad and tragic set of events that have unfolded here.
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Old 07-18-2012, 08:16 AM   #446
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If Penn State thinks its so unfair to have their program shut down for a bit, those at the top shouldnt have enabled an environment where young children were raped. Not much more complex than that IMO.

PSU will be forever remembered for this but they can also be remembered for taking quick action, being critical of Paterno and the football program, etc. Instead, all this denial is only further hurting the school's reputation.
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Old 07-18-2012, 09:39 AM   #447
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Yep, denial is exactly what it is.

It's almost painful, but very pathetic to listen to the Paterno worshippers. I work with a ton of them. They've been whiining "it's such a shame that an evil monster can tarnish the legacy of such a great man". Sickening. It's like they don't even care about or realize what happened.

Their latest straw argument..."I want to know what role the Governor had in this scandal, he was Attorney General before he was Governor!"

Surprise, surprise, these people are also raging liberals who have been crying since the Republican Governor was elected and any chance they get to try to take him down they do. The Governor was not part of the cover-up. PATERNO was. PATERNO allowed it. He hid it. He was part of it. Accept it. You can't blame law enforcement for this not coming out earlier when there was a huge undertaking by every level of the University to hide it.

Why don't we talk about the District Attorney who just DISAPPEARED in 2005 while he was hot on Sandusky's trail. Also, that boy in the shower, no one knows who he is or where he is now. Was his body disposed of along with the District Attorney who may have known his name?

Ray Gricar, the DA...his car was found empty. His computer hard drives were stolen and turned up in the Susquehanna River...his body was never found.

I won't be shocked if it comes out that the University, boosters or Paterno and Sandusky themselves hired a hitman or two with school and taxpayer funds.

Would it shock you?

Shut that football program down, not for a year, indefinitely. I think we have not even scratched the surface of what they did. We're all in for plenty of shock, even more than we've already had.



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Then, in April 2005, Gricar disappeared.

His car was found abandoned in a Lewisburg, Pa., parking lot and his laptop's harddrive was recovered from the nearby Susquehannna River, but there was no other trace of Gricar. No clues could be gleaned from the severely damaged harddrive and despite a six year investigation that involved the FBI and international help, police have as little an idea today about what happened to the former DA as they did then.

"We literally used every single resource, national and international," Bellefonte, Pa., police chief Shawn Weaver told ABC News today. "This is baffling. He literally just disappeared off the face of the earth."
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Old 07-19-2012, 12:19 AM   #448
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Yeah the whole DA bit seems to be way too much to be a coincidence. I'm not one to buy into conspiracy theories, but what happened was pretty wild. Seems like something out of a movie.
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This is starting to reach Jim Jones levels:

Penn State students protecting Joe*Paterno statue - NCAA Football - SI.com

Happy Valley will soon be Jonestown with large punch bowls placed through out the campus.
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Old 07-19-2012, 08:59 AM   #450
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Idiot students. They just don't comprehend what happened, do they?

I bet if Sandusky was raping college students on campus, they'd have a different take on this since they'd be targets personally. You'd think the idea that their little brothers could be targets would be enough to enrage them, but I guess you can't expect children themselves to fully understand anything.

We're going to have to throw some smoke bombs or mace in there to clear them out, then just yank that statue down with a chain and a dump truck. Forget preserving it, lets just toss it back onto the lawn of the Paterno family in pieces, just like the lives of the victims.
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