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Old 07-23-2012, 10:03 AM   #496
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Re: Sex Abuse Scandal Rocks Penn State

I find this tweet to be indeed ironic.



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Old 07-23-2012, 10:04 AM   #497
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I mean the NCAA can't tell someone "stop rooting for Penn State, take down your Joe Paterno magazine cutouts, tear up your autographed DJ Dozier poster"
No - But they can take the product they root for off of the field.
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Old 07-23-2012, 10:04 AM   #498
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You're right. I didn't click read more. My apologies. The kids can transfer without penalty and keep their scholarships. I'm okay with that.

I also just heard they're paying the 60M over 5 years -- I don't like that....
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Old 07-23-2012, 10:18 AM   #499
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Additionally, How exactly is vacating wins in any way related to, or an appropriate punishment for OFF-FIELD issues?

The former players will still tell their grandkids about the games they won and the Bowl games they went to.

Suddenly, we just pretend those games and wins didn't happen?

This "punishment", specifically this part is a joke. It doesn't make any sense. The players earned those wins. They should be not punished. Rewriting history won't affect anyone or help the guilty realize what they've done wrong. You think the Board of Directors, the Athletic department Graham Spanier and Sandusky's wife care that when they search the team's W-L record online, it will look different? You think they care about no Bowls for 4 years? They may care if the program was shut down...along with their income.


I wanted the football program to be killed...at least for 14 years, how long they covered up the rapes. Then we get the cries "why punish the current players, they didn't do anything wrong!" True, but we're punishing the football PROGRAM. The AD, the board, the coaches...and everyone who put the public relations and income of the football program above these kids, including the fans who still won't admit anything happened. The players can transfer and play right away. If they still want a crappy PSU degree, they can stay there for the academics.


Other than lost money, the football program literally just got away with rape, at least from the NCAA.
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Perhaps so that a pedophile protector doesn't hold one of the most coveted titles in college athletics?
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Old 07-23-2012, 10:28 AM   #501
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Perhaps so that a pedophile protector doesn't hold one of the most coveted titles in college athletics?
Bobby Bowden was no saint either. Nothing THIS BAD but that's not what we should be focusing on. Record books are meaningless in the big picture.

Shutting them down would hopefully open up the eyes of everyone who helped hide this, including the fans. Around the campus, this was not only known to be going on, it was a joke. They even named an ice cream flavor after the monster.
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I'm satisfied with these punishments. It doesn't matter that they didn't "kill" the program, because the program is going to suffer for god knows how long. 4 years of no bowl games, and 15 scholarships? They are going to get their asses handed to them year after year. Plus the kids that are there now get the opportunity to transfer and not have to wait.

If I were a student, and not a top 15 player, who would want to play for them, knowing they'd most likely have to pay full cost to go there and not be eligible for a bowl game for 4 seasons? I don't think this scenario is likely to happen but imagine if they had barely enough players to field a team? Paterno's wins from the entire period get vacated, and they sufficiently harmed the program enough that we probably won't see it in the top 25 for another decade. I could see people being pissed if the program was allowed to continue and was still in the top 25, but as the old saying goes, out of sight, out of mind. If anything people will enjoy it more seeing their current program become bottom-feeders, getting their asses handed to them 62-7 every game.
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What about guys like Bill O'Brien and the staff he brought in? Should they be punished?
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What about guys like Bill O'Brien and the staff he brought in? Should they be punished?
No but I'm sure he had to know when he took the job that there probably were going to be sanctions. Unless everyone at Penn State lied to him too, and told him it wasn't a big concern and not to worry about it. I'm doubtful that that happened but the current group of leadership at Penn State hasn't struck me as very smart in how they're handling this whole thing.
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What about guys like Bill O'Brien and the staff he brought in? Should they be punished?

Quite honestly, I have no sympathy for him as he signed up prior knowing that something was going to happen. Unless he was a complete idiot, he had to know the football program was going to take a hit.
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^^ Nope. The program should be shut down and those contracts should be honored. Unless it can be shown that they somehow knew of the specific issues, their contracts should be enforceable as they did nothing to violate them.
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Old 07-23-2012, 10:55 AM   #507
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Hard for PSU to move forward when they continue to have douchebags like this on the BoT.


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What about guys like Bill O'Brien and the staff he brought in? Should they be punished?
You can't punish the program and those in charge without affecting the current staff and players. This should not be part of the equation. They all have the chance to move somewhere else. O'Brien knew about these problems coming in.

The kids are allowed to transfer and not sit out, which is fair and I'm glad the NCAA is making an exception for them.
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On balance these penalties are harsh and severe. Losing 60 scholarships all but ensures that the program is basically irrelevant for many years to come. More fines to be levied by the Big Ten.

I don't think the stigma of being associated with Penn State should be underestimated.
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Old 07-23-2012, 11:14 AM   #510
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$60 million fine. That's huge. That is larger than the annual operating academic budgets at some schools. Everyone at Penn State down to the groundskeepers and custodial staff will be affected by that.

I'm not complaining about the penalty. The NCAA should have thrown the book at PSU and it did. But to say the penalty does not affect innocent others is not really true.
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