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Old 07-23-2012, 09:33 PM   #526
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Additionally, How exactly is vacating wins in any way related to, or an appropriate punishment for OFF-FIELD issues?

The former players will still tell their grandkids about the games they won and the Bowl games they went to.

Suddenly, we just pretend those games and wins didn't happen?

This "punishment", specifically this part is a joke. It doesn't make any sense. The players earned those wins. They should be not punished. Rewriting history won't affect anyone or help the guilty realize what they've done wrong. You think the Board of Directors, the Athletic department Graham Spanier and Sandusky's wife care that when they search the team's W-L record online, it will look different? You think they care about no Bowls for 4 years? They may care if the program was shut down...along with their income.


I wanted the football program to be killed...at least for 14 years, how long they covered up the rapes. Then we get the cries "why punish the current players, they didn't do anything wrong!" True, but we're punishing the football PROGRAM. The AD, the board, the coaches...and everyone who put the public relations and income of the football program above these kids, including the fans who still won't admit anything happened. The players can transfer and play right away. If they still want a crappy PSU degree, they can stay there for the academics.


Other than lost money, the football program literally just got away with rape, at least from the NCAA.
The players are not being punished by the vacated wins. They've moved on. The players still have their memories of playing, achievements during that game. They aren't being affected at all by those "W"s being turned into "L"s.

I think the Penn State wins were vacated for one reason. To not let Joe Paterno be the winningest coach in major college football, in part by covering up what Sandusky was doing. LINK

With the NCAA sanctions eliminating 111 wins from Penn State between 1998 and 2011, Joe Paterno is no longer the winningest coach in major college football -- a title he received just 10 days before he was fired in the wake of the Jerry Sandusky scandal.

Paterno, with 298 wins, is now below Florida State's Bobby Bowden, Alabama's Bear Bryant, Glenn Warner and several others. Paterno is now 12th on the list of all coaches in all football divisions.


The punishment fits the crime. Paterno helped cover Sandusky's crimes to protect the football program. Those wins should be taken away.

As to the current Penn State players, they can transfer without penalty. Yes it still sucks for them. They trusted Penn State. At least they weren't treated as bad as kids that also trusted Penn State, though the current (and later former) assistant coach allowed to bring the kids on campus for his aims. That's where the focus should be, about who was hurt most by trusting Penn State.

I agree the football program and administrators haven't been punished enough.
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Old 07-23-2012, 10:08 PM   #527
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Some more well versed PSU fans articulating their displeasure. Don't these idiots know they are attaching their names to such hateful words?


"I HOPE U ALL ****IN DIE" And Other Reasoned, Measured Responses To The NCAA's Penn State Punishment


Hope their employers find out. (or future ones)
All i can say is Penn State has some dumb students and some even dumber fans. Nobody in their right mind right now would offer these guys one ounce of support. The NCAA had to do what they did. Facts are facts. F Joe Paterno, may he eternally rot in h*ll along with Jerry Sandusky.

Feel bad for the innocent people who were there just trying to get an education but i have a real issue with anyone who is protesting the NCAA's decision or the school's decision to remove the Joe Paterno statue.
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Some more well versed PSU fans articulating their displeasure. Don't these idiots know they are attaching their names to such hateful words?


"I HOPE U ALL ****IN DIE" And Other Reasoned, Measured Responses To The NCAA's Penn State Punishment


Hope their employers find out. (or future ones)
THE NCAA IS A BUNCH OF ****IN FAGGOT ASS BITCHES THOSE ARE ****IN JOES WINS U ****IN **** BAG ASSHOLE FAGS I HOPE U ALL ****IN DIE

Lol. To steal a line from Ron Burgundy, you stay classy (Penn State). This will obviously help solidify our opinion of them.
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Old 07-24-2012, 12:47 AM   #529
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While obviously there needed to be a heavy penalty, I feel sorry for the players over this 14 year period that now suddenly never happened according to the record book. Some players are rightfully pissed off that the blood and sweat they gave up for the university and subsequently the NCAA to make millions of dollars, now meant nothing because of the faults of a handful of people. Punishing those not involved just doesn't seem fair whatsoever. Just alter the record book in regards to JP. I truly feel sorry for the poor boys who had their lives forever changed by a monster and those who didn't fight hard enough for the right thing to be done, but these other boys shouldn't be punished as well. This whole situation sucks and there was never going to be a "right way" for this to get made right.
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While obviously there needed to be a heavy penalty, I feel sorry for the players over this 14 year period that now suddenly never happened according to the record book. Some players are rightfully pissed off that the blood and sweat they gave up for the university and subsequently the NCAA to make millions of dollars, now meant nothing because of the faults of a handful of people. Punishing those not involved just doesn't seem fair whatsoever. Just alter the record book in regards to JP. I truly feel sorry for the poor boys who had their lives forever changed by a monster and those who didn't fight hard enough for the right thing to be done, but these other boys shouldn't be punished as well. This whole situation sucks and there was never going to be a "right way" for this to get made right.
How does changing the records affect those past players, now?

Besides it's really not punitive to take those wins away. Pedo State University football recruiting benefited from Sandusky being illegally protected. Therefore PSU does not deserve those wins.
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While obviously there needed to be a heavy penalty, I feel sorry for the players over this 14 year period that now suddenly never happened according to the record book. Some players are rightfully pissed off that the blood and sweat they gave up for the university and subsequently the NCAA to make millions of dollars, now meant nothing because of the faults of a handful of people. Punishing those not involved just doesn't seem fair whatsoever. Just alter the record book in regards to JP. I truly feel sorry for the poor boys who had their lives forever changed by a monster and those who didn't fight hard enough for the right thing to be done, but these other boys shouldn't be punished as well. This whole situation sucks and there was never going to be a "right way" for this to get made right.
I was thinking about this last night. And, it may be quite a leap, but with all of this happening right in the Penn State locker room and at team facilities I can't really shake the thought that McQueary couldn't have been the only player to see any unusual behavior. My guess is there may be others who kept their mouth shut.

All that said, I don't really have a problem with the wins being vacated. Has happened to other schools for much less
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I agree they might have killed the program but if I'm the board....ban football for at least 5 years a Penn State.


The amount of regular students leaving is also an issue,students leaving becuase the degree will now have a stigma attached to it.
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Old 07-25-2012, 09:44 AM   #533
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I agree they might have killed the program but if I'm the board....ban football for at least 5 years a Penn State.


The amount of regular students leaving is also an issue,students leaving becuase the degree will now have a stigma attached to it.
Plus, the tailgating parties won't be as big. Yes, that's something PSU fans are worried about now, I work with plenty of them. The whole Saturday ritual of making a whole day out of the game experience has a damper on it now that they know they're going to lose, the opponents are going to be extra-motivated to destroy the Lions on the field and their idol is no longer walking the sidelines (or coaching from a booth when he can't walk).

It's sickening how upset they are over the football team...never mentioning the victims or even acknowledging their school did something horrible. The fans are acting like the victims, like they've been unfairly targeted by the legal system and NCAA out of nowhere on some made-up charges. I know what happened is unbelievable, but the fact that they don't believe it is disturbing.

Penn State jacked up the price of season tickets from about $100/game to $300 and $400 for the best seats a year or two ago. The fans were already complaining about that but since "WE ARE PENN STATE" they bit the bullet and paid up. Now that they'll be a perrennial 3-win team if they're lucky, do you still expect 80,000 seats to be full? I'm expecting a LOT of empty seats. Maybe not this season because they'll emotionally rally around the team...but at that price, when they see the level of play by their team...they won't continue to pay. Some of the insanely-obsessed will, but most won't.

I've been mockingly chanting "WE WERE...PENN STATE!" since the NCAA hammer came down.
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Um...I mean, there's got to be a better way to put it, isn't there?

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Um...I mean, there's got to be a better way to put it, isn't there?

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Um...I mean, there's got to be a better way to put it, isn't there?

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Some people just need serious help and dont think they fully understand what happened. Children were raped by a high ranking football official. He was allowed to rape time and time again by the school's leadership.

The Penn State apologists' reactions have been jaw dropping this week. I will never forget what Ive heard from people calling in from Pennsylvania to sports radio and what I've read in print. Those twitter postings were vile. Its like these people are blind and could careless about the victims. I really cant believe it.
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This deserves a double











I felt you needed to add a few onto that.
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Um...I mean, there's got to be a better way to put it, isn't there?

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The links earlier were certainly worse than this.

Giantone had the right idea on this one. The NCAA should ban Penn State football for 5 years. Effective immediately. Not just because of past actions by Penn State administrators, coaches, and staff. But equally because of CURRENT actions of Penn State from the Board of Trustees at just about every level down to students, alum, and fans.

No Penn State football for five years. Wipe the slate clean, of this sick "football above all else" culture there.
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Penn State president: Program faced multiyear shutdown – USATODAY.com
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