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Old 06-28-2013, 04:35 PM   #586
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According to you guys analysis Zimmerman is sure to walk. The evidence is overwhelmingly in his favor, and there are goigng to be riots!!!?? **Wishful thinking sounds like to me and not analysis** LMAO way out there
i do hope he is found guilty but its a close call.

either way, the jurors get to make the call and they are in the best position to make a decision .. assuming none of them harbor strong feelings for or against gun control laws and didnt speak up during voir dire.
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Old 06-28-2013, 04:35 PM   #587
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There si no gone too far when someon you don;t know follows you and enters your personal space. You have a right to self defrense at that point. That person brought the problem to you.
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Ultimately, I think both parties are "responsible" for what happened that night. Clearly, each had the opportunity to avoid escalation to a physical brawl. Right now, for me, the only thing I can say for certain is that this was an avoidable tragedy that has had its tragic consequences multiplied by the irresponsible coverage.

Also - Given my willingness to throw down back in the day and the mindless ferocity I approached it with, I am incredibly lucky to be alive and not in jail today.
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Wait, like your last prediction that Romney was gonna win Pennsylvania, the Presidency, and there would be riots. Remember that one?
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Old 06-28-2013, 04:39 PM   #590
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Disagree,

1. Blaming the media is a common cop out. 2. Zimmerman is responsible, he did his job as a bitch boy wanna be and he told the cops. Putting his hands on someone after following them makes him responsible.
TM bears zero responsibility huh?
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i do hope he is found guilty but its a close call.

either way, the jurors get to make the call and they are in the best position to make a decision .. assuming none of them harbor strong feelings for or against gun control laws and didnt speak up during voir dire.
I think the gun control angle is being over played here. This has nothing to do with gun control its a stalking case. No one is saying it was illegal for Zimmermn to have the gun we are saying it was illegal for him to kill that teenager.
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i do hope he is found guilty but its a close call.

either way, the jurors get to make the call and they are in the best position to make a decision .. assuming none of them harbor strong feelings for or against gun control laws and didnt speak up during voir dire.
Or are closet racists.
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Here's what we KNOW happened. A over-zealous neighborhood watchman followed around someone because he felt he was suspicious.
OK, but how do you KNOW any of the rest?

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He didn't engage the guy to find out what he was doing in a constructive way (that we know of) rather he acted in a way that created a situation of confrontation. Now TM may have gone too far in his reaction and gave Z a reason to defend himself (who knows) but what we KNOW is that Z should have handled the situation better and then an unarmed teenager wouldn't be dead. Does any of that make him guilty? No. But I am damn sure if it's me in that situation TM doesn't get shot because a more reasonable person doesn't manipulate a situation into being confrontational like that. I think it is hard to see the basic situation any different.
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There si no gone too far when someon you don;t know follows you and enters your personal space. You have a right to self defrense at that point. That person brought the problem to you.
Wrong. DEAD WRONG. Being bothered by someone does not mean you can't "go too far".
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TM bears zero responsibility huh?

zero follow me and Ima whoop yo ass.
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OK, but how do you KNOW any of the rest?
You're correct. "know" is the wrong word. "Strongly believe without much evidence, discussion, assertion, or testimony to the contrary" is better. The picture painted by almost everyone in general follows that line. The details of exactly how everything played out are being debated. No one makes much of an argument any other way. Given what has been testified to..if you're in that situation can you see it going down the way it did?
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zero follow me and Ima whoop yo ass.
And you might get shot. It's the risk you're taking. And to me in that situation you absolutely bear some responsibility.
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Following someone is an aggressive act. If your logic is correct, then how can stalking laws be upheld in court?
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zero follow me and Ima whoop yo ass.
Abso-****ing-lutely. Too many predators out there to allow yourself to give someone an edge. I don't let people closer that arms length plus a rolled up WSJ. Just good self preservation.
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So if you follow someobody and after you upset them you then shoot them when they confront you? You are going to jail.
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