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Old 06-28-2013, 05:04 PM   #661
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Old 06-28-2013, 05:04 PM   #662
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So if you follow someobody and after you upset them you then shoot them when they confront you? You are going to jail.
"after you upset them", no. After the person followed initiates a physical confrontation and uses enough force to put "you" in reasonable fear of "your" life. Yup. "You" get to shoot them.
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Following someone is an aggressive act. If your logic is correct, then how can stalking laws be upheld in court?
Stalking laws are entirely different legal animal. You know why stalkng laws exist? In part, so that the stalked don't need to resort to violence.

"Stalking" [EDIT: In and of itself] is not, and never has been, an excuse to escalate a confrontaton from verbal to physical.
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So Joe, you saying I can follow anyone I want around as much as I want?
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Stalking laws are entirely different legal animal. You know why stalkng laws exist? In part, so that the stalked don't need to resort to violence.

"Stalking" [EDIT: In and of itself] is not, and never has been, an excuse to escalate a confrontaton from verbal to physical.
Well, why didn't the stalking laws apply to Zimmerman following the teenager?
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So Joe, you saying I can follow anyone I want around as much as I want?
JR, meet Gary84Clark, your WP designated stalker. Gary84Clark, meet your nemesis.

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Joe and and rat ta tat tat, Dictionary.com challenges your stalking defintion.

stalking/ˈstɔkɪŋ/ Show Spelled [staw-king] Show IPA
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1.the act or an instance of stalking, or harassing another in an aggressive, often threatening and illegal manner: Stalking is now a crime in many states.
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Well, why didn't the stalking laws apply to Zimmerman following the teenager?
This may be the point of contention that the Media has sold to the general public/braying mob. Zimmerman was ambushed by Martin.

It'll come out, no one will want to hear it, but that's how it went down.
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Joe and and rat ta tat tat, Dictionary.com challenges your stalking defintion.

stalking/ˈstɔkɪŋ/ Show Spelled [staw-king] Show IPA
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1.the act or an instance of stalking, or harassing another in an aggressive, often threatening and illegal manner: Stalking is now a crime in many states.
Criminal activity consisting of the repeated following and harassing of another person.

Stalking is a distinctive form of criminal activity composed of a series of actions that taken individually might constitute legal behavior. For example, sending flowers, writing love notes, and waiting for someone outside her place of work are actions that, on their own, are not criminal. When these actions are coupled with an intent to instill fear or injury, however, they may constitute a pattern of behavior that is illegal. Though anti-stalking laws are gender neutral, most stalkers are men and most victims are women.
Stalking first attracted widespread public concern when a young actress named Rebecca Shaeffer, who was living in California, was shot to death by an obsessed fan who had stalked her for two years. The case drew extensive media coverage and revealed how widespread a problem stalking was to both celebrity and noncelebrity victims. Until the enactment of anti-stalking laws, police had little power to arrest someone who behaved in a threatening but legal way. Even when the suspect had followed his victim, sent her hate mail, or behaved in a threatening manner, the police were without legal recourse. Law enforcement could not take action until the suspect acted on his threats and assaulted or injured the victim.

I don't expect you to send JR love notes or flowers, however it would lighten the mood.
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Criminal activity consisting of the repeated following and harassing of another person.


I don't expect you to send JR love notes or flowers, however it would lighten the mood.
But Mr. Rat ta tat tat: Zimmerman has repeatedly followed and harassed individuals that share common characteristics with Mr. Martin, the deceased. Calling the police repeatedly at the sight of black males walking through his community is a form of harrassment. It should have been a harbinger of the current trial. This consitutes a paranoid fear of black males. Mr. Zimmerman's behavior shows patterns then he kills one.
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But Mr. Rat ta tat tat: Zimmerman has repeatedly followed and harassed individuals that share common characteristics with Mr. Martin, the deceased. Calling the police repeatedly at the sight of black males walking through his community is a form of harrassment. It should have been a harbinger of the current trial. This consitutes a paranoid fear of black males. Mr. Zimmerman's behavior shows patterns then he kills one.
G84C, if all of the burglars are of the same ethnic group what's a bigot to do?

Duck analogy.
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This may be the point of contention that the Media has sold to the general public/braying mob. Zimmerman was ambushed by Martin.

It'll come out, no one will want to hear it, but that's how it went down.
To ambush someone takes planning. To prove ambush you must prove intent. We have evidence suggesting Zimmerman's intent as aggressive, but Martin was simply coming form the store. Joe please explain intent to your co-counsel.
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To ambush someone takes planning. To prove ambush you must prove intent.
Ambushed in the sense that he didn't try to run from Zimmerman, he looped back and confronted him.
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It'll come out, no one will want to hear it, but that's how it went down.

LOL , well ok , now we can all sleep better since you were there and can testify that is how it went down ,because you know it.
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G84C, if all of the burglars are of the same ethnic group what's a bigot to do?

Duck analogy.
In Zimmerman's mind you would have a point. But that is Florida and I know damn well all the burgulars and trouble makers were not black. Research the area of Zimmerman's broken dreams of being a Mall cop. He called the police 100 times and that led to one arrest. The other times were delusions of a sick individual. Living in florida where the black males roam free. Poor Zimmerman.
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