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Old 03-26-2012, 08:59 AM   #61
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Re: Trayvon Martin Case

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Until information comes out saying he was doing otherwise, he's innocent in my mind.
Lest we forget, under the law and until proven otherwise, so is Zimmerman.

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I can understand if he had some awful upbringing or if people said he was some gang banging, gun-toting, thug. But by all accounts so far, he seemed to be a kid minding his own business, never provoked Zimmerman in any way and who actually was trying to go somewhere in life.

Though contrary to popular belief, not all 16-21 year old young men are some mouthy hoodlums. I dunno man, its like some of you all wanted the kid to be a heathen.
See, from every thing I have read there is absolutely no evidence to indicate whether Zimmerman or Martin initiated the physical confrontation. Lots of speculation and conjecture, but no proof one way or the other.

The owner of the property where Martin was shot said he saw the two men in an physical altercation. You can believe Martin was minding his own business, but, to convict Zimmerman of murder, you need proof that he initiated the physical confrontation or shot an immobilized Martin. If there is only evidence that they were in a physical confrontation, and lacking evidence that Zimmerman disabled Martin and then shot him, I don't see evidence of murder.

It's bad all around but, unless pitchforks and mob rule are to replace due process, I don't see how you can convict, or even indict, Zimmerman for murder at this point.

People can believe what they want, race was an issue, Martin was a good kid minding his own business, but based on the facts that have actually come to light, I don't think enough evidence exists to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Old 03-26-2012, 09:14 AM   #62
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Re: Trayvon Martin Case

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Until information comes out saying he was doing otherwise, he's innocent in my mind.
Lest we forget, under the law and until proven otherwise, so is Zimmerman.

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I can understand if he had some awful upbringing or if people said he was some gang banging, gun-toting, thug. But by all accounts so far, he seemed to be a kid minding his own business, never provoked Zimmerman in any way and who actually was trying to go somewhere in life.

Though contrary to popular belief, not all 16-21 year old young men are some mouthy hoodlums. I dunno man, its like some of you all wanted the kid to be a heathen.
See, from every thing I have read there is absolutely no evidence to indicate whether Zimmerman or Martin initiated the physical confrontation. Lots of speculation and conjecture, but no proof one way or the other.

The owner of the property where Martin was shot said he saw the two men in an physical altercation. You can believe Martin was minding his own business, but, to convict Zimmerman of murder, you need proof that he initiated the physical confrontation or shot an immobilized Martin. If there is only evidence that they were in a physical confrontation, and lacking evidence that Zimmerman disabled Martin and then shot him, I don't see evidence of murder.

It's bad all around but, unless pitchforks and mob rule are to replace due process, I don't see how you can convict, or even indict, Zimmerman for murder at this point.

People can believe what they want, race was an issue, Martin was a good kid minding his own business, but based on the facts that have actually come to light, I don't think enough evidence exists to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt.
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You posted the same thing twice 15 minutes apart? How does that happen? Usually a double post like that is unintentional.

Also, as much as I believe Zimmerman should be convicted of murder, if not manslaughter at the least, if there's no evidence or witness accounts proving anything than JR is right and Zimmerman will be free. It's not right but evidence is paramount, and I don't think they have any in this case.
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I was editing the remark and got called away. I came back (15 mins. later) and hit submit and, rather than editing the prior remark, it double posted. I probably did something wrong.
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has anyone seen a photo of martin at age 17? just curious. i think the most popular one w the media, w the hollister shirt, is several years old
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Trayvon Martin: George Zimmerman's account to police of the Trayvon Martin shooting. - South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com
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I'm wondering how long it takes for this to become a push for CCTV like we have in Europe.
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has anyone seen a photo of martin at age 17? just curious. i think the most popular one w the media, w the hollister shirt, is several years old
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Was Trayvon Martin a Drug Dealer? | a12iggymom's Blog

Also ive heard the photo of Martin in the hoodie was airbrushed to make him look "softer".
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Was Trayvon Martin a Drug Dealer? | a12iggymom's Blog

Also ive heard the photo of Martin in the hoodie was airbrushed to make him look "softer".
This is indeed fact. Just read it today. The photo of him that is on all the billboards and signs is the photoshopped one.

Current photos of him portray a vastly different looking individual. Tattoos, gold teeth. One web site said he had some kind of tattoo on his cheek that the airbrushing removed...
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This is indeed fact. Just read it today. The photo of him that is on all the billboards and signs is the photoshopped one.

Current photos of him portray a vastly different looking individual. Tattoos, gold teeth. One web site said he had some kind of tattoo on his cheek that the airbrushing removed...
I have to say that doesn't make him a bad kid nor Zimmerman a racist.

There is now a hint of cynical exploitation to this event that, should it prove to be true, would set race relations back a few decades.

I'm also not a big fan of happy capering during a solemn (I would guess) event like a walk in memoriam, although I could have posted this in 'Grind my gears'

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So a kid with tattoos and gold teeth is a gangster? Or a drugdealer? I'm pretty sure if this dude was a true gangster he wouldn't have had just iced tea and skittles on him right? I'm not saying he didn't do anything wrong in this case but in all fairness most 18 year old s want to act hard that's just the way it is in today's world.
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I have to say that doesn't make him a bad kid nor Zimmerman a racist.

There is now a hint of cynical exploitation to this event that, should it prove to be true, would set race relations back a few decades.

I'm also not a big fan of happy capering during a solemn (I would guess) event like a walk in memoriam, although I could have posted this in 'Grind my gears'
I know this sounds awful, but I'm kinda glad it wasn't a white guy who shot him. I mean, this is already a media circus, but it involves 2 minorities. Which doesn't make it any better, but I just feel like there's a different air about it than if it was some lily white guy, shooting a black guy. I feel like that would be bad. I'm talking like, race riots bad.

I don't feel like things are going to breakdown between blacks and hispanics because of this.
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Okay, so why is it inflammatory if a white person shoots a black teenager under suspicious circumstances but not inflammatory if a Hispanic individual shoots a black teenager under suspicious circumstances? Explain to me why this is not base hypocracy or demagougery.

It's between two minorities? So minorities can shoot each other and society won't bring out the pitchforks, only white folks have to answer to the mob? This doesn't strike you as wrong? A young man is dead - If unjustified, shouldn't outrage flow regardless of who shot him or the colors involved?
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So minorities can shoot each other and society won't bring out the pitchforks, only white folks have to answer to the mob?
So it would appear, yes.
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So a kid with tattoos and gold teeth is a gangster? Or a drugdealer? I'm pretty sure if this dude was a true gangster he wouldn't have had just iced tea and skittles on him right? I'm not saying he didn't do anything wrong in this case but in all fairness most 18 year old s want to act hard that's just the way it is in today's world.
The one website that was linked a few posts above paints a pretty good picture that Martin was into drugs or the drug scene. He also had problems at school. Keep in mind the website has credible news links to all stories. They hit gold when they found Martin's facebook and twitter.

He was suspended out of school for 10 days, later revealed to be from assulting a bus driver. There is a screen cap from Martin's twitter where Martin and someone else are talking about the incident.

There is also a facebook conversation posted from where someone was asking Martin where he was because "a ni**a needs a plant"

Friends of Treyvon took to twitter and facebook and posted photos of a rolled up blunt, along with a picture of treyvon. Not saying beating up a bus driver, selling weed, or smoking marijuana makes him a bad guy, but it does paint a drastically different scene than the 4 year old photos of a 13 year old angelic looking boy that the media has posted every where.

There is also a fox video where they have a witness that described the scene. Zimmerman was being beaten and held down by Martin allegedly, and they say that the screams on the 911 call was Zimmerman's own. Even the police say that when they found zimmerman, he was beaten, bloody, with a broken nose, a laceration on his head, and his clothes were wet with grass stains on them, indicating signs of a struggle. Also as some mentioned, Zimmerman was only 5'9 and was not in shape at the time of this fight. Martin was easily 6'3"" or bigger and weighed 200 pounds. An out of shape 5'9guy is never going to do very well against an in shape 17 year old who is 6'3" and 200 pounds..

I have a bad feeling there will never be resolution with this case, regardless of the verdict. too many unanswered questions, although it now looks like things are starting to become more clear on what may have happened that night.
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