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Old 07-08-2013, 08:46 PM   #826
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Oh lord... if you're going to talk about facts and people going on diatribe and thinking with the hearts you aught to know that manslaughter is in play. It will be presented by the prosecutor for sure and the judge will allow it so the long thing left is whether the jury will knock down 2nd degree murder to manslaughter.

Forget RR, you can get that easy money too!
Didn't know it was possible for the prosecution or judge to introduce a lesser charge now. Thought it was just one count of murder 2. LINK (I think the defense can plea bargain a lesser offense, but I don't think they'd do it when they're probably looking for acquittal in this case.)

To the more knowledgeable posters here, like JoeR, could manslaughter be in play this trial? If not, yeah I think you made a poor bet, saden.
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Old 07-08-2013, 11:14 PM   #827
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As I understand it, the lesser, incorporated, offense is always in play. Thus, manslaughter is in play.

Saden1 - what's your bet? As I said, my confidence level is low but once the pot use gets admitted, its increasing. Do you honestly think murder2 is in play at this point?

I will bet $200, cash money, that he is found innocent of murder 2.

As to manslaughter, $25. I think that accurately reflects my confidence level of each.

As an aside ... my first defense WTF moment since the knock knock joke - why call Tracy Martin ... all you do is give him a chance to explain away his denial about recognizing Trayvon's voice, which he did. Had they not called him and simply left him as a rebuttal witness, you get to discredit his "Serino got it wrong". As it is, rather than a blot on the prosecutor's case, he becomes a non-factor.
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I guess we should flush his "that doesn't sound like me" statement down the toilet too? The heart doesn't really come into play, just facts of the case and how insane it is to have someone like Zimmerman stalking people talking about they "always get a way with it" and shooting kids in the heart in the name of self-defense go free.

So no go on a bet? Pussy!
Really? Generalizations as proof of motive and actions? Can you use a few more emotionally charged words in your description while claiming "the heart doesn't come into play". Rather than actual analysis of specific facts, you're going to ignore the unhelpful and speculative facts brought out at trial and simply paint the picture of what happened that night with a broad brush?

I thought more highly of you.
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no where near being a riot you guys are so ill informed about what caused the LA riots. It was the fact [people were tired of the long history of he LA PD and that was the last straw. riots don;t happen off of isolated incidents. Frustration has to build up over time. But that won't fit into Rush Limbaugh narrative, not as entertaining. He is gonna do some time not sure how much though. His rectum is gonna be re-sized.
You're such an arrogant ass. How do you know what I know about the LA riots? Neither mlmpetert or I said there would be riots, we said that we hope there won't be any.

If you don't think the Sanford, FL African-American population does not have pent up grievances with the local police, you are the incredibly misinformed individual.
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I'll go on record and say if he is not charged with any crime there will be some form of unrest.
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I dont think they will be riots, but I believe there will be protests and deservedly so if Zim is found innocent on all charges. LA riots were completely a different thing. There werent just a few bad apples in the LAPD, most of the police officers were criminals with badges under a culture of corrupt that spread way beyond just the LAPD.

Why should there be protests? Well most people think you should not be able to shoot an unarmed child even if you are getting beat up in an arguement you provoked.
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Well most people think you should not be able to shoot an unarmed child even if you are getting beat up in an arguement you provoked.
'Unarmed child'. Also referred to as 'the assailant'.
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Which you've shown in abundance.

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I am taking bets on zimmerman getting convicted of at least manslaughter...you in?
Zimmerman is up for 2nd degree murder. I will bet you $1,000 (to be paid to my charity of choice, when I win) that he doesn't get convicted of 2nd degree murder.

I will also add the rider that the loser (You, saden1) has to use the following in their sig:

Hysterical bed wetter


You can pick a sig for me in the unlikely event that I lose.

This will remain in place for the entirety of this football season.
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Old 07-09-2013, 11:22 AM   #834
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'Unarmed child'. Also referred to as 'the assailant'.
Was he committing a crime? Fact: No

Was he being harrassed by an unknown, creepy, armed man who hold zero authority over him? Fact: Yes
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Was he committing a crime? Fact: No
Right up to the point where he got physical with Zimmerman, no, he was not. Once he assaulted Zimmerman, yes. FACT.

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Was he being harrassed by an unknown, creepy, armed man who hold zero authority over him? Fact: Yes
He was being followed, yes. Harassed? We haven't had evidence he felt threatened.

Martin didn't know Zimmerman was armed, didn't know Zimmerman had no authority. What was preventing Martin from running back to the apartment he was watching TV at? Nothing. He chose, inadvisedly, to confront Zimmerman. FACT.

Creepy? WTF does that have to do with anything?
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I dont think they will be riots, but I believe there will be protests and deservedly so if Zim is found innocent on all charges. LA riots were completely a different thing. There werent just a few bad apples in the LAPD, most of the police officers were criminals with badges under a culture of corrupt that spread way beyond just the LAPD.

Why should there be protests? Well most people think you should not be able to shoot an unarmed child even if you are getting beat up in an arguement you provoked.
The way the PD handled the event was appalling. At the very least Zimmerman should have been arrested on the suspicion of murder.

Most people are too apathetic to riot. I can't imagine a situation where we (the silent majority) would show the Government our displeasure if it took more than a mouse click.
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Was he committing a crime? Fact: No

Was he being harrassed by an unknown, creepy, armed man who hold zero authority over him? Fact: Yes
Sorry look up the def of harrassed. Talking about creepy wasn't it not Marting who used a racial slur. If it was the other way around thats all we would hearing about.
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Hey fight or flight response to someone armed who coulda been trying to rob him(trayvon). Trayvon shouldnt have done it, it was quick response to an unnormal situation. Remember Trayvon is dead he didnt chance to collect the facts after the incident.

I know its a novel concept to some, but black kids can be freaked out by old white guys following them. I guess the more accepted way of thinking is a young skittle toting child-thug Trayvon causing old white ladies to grip their purses a little tighter as he passes. Thats not the case here, and where the young thug totes skittles, the creepy coward Zim totes a pistol.

We good if the picture was vise versa? We good if thuged out, armed, Trayvon asking Zim what he up too and Zim has the skittles? Justice would be blind and impartial? Yeah, not in this country.
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Hey fight or flight response to someone armed who coulda been trying to rob him(trayvon).
You're going to have to use punctuation and better grammar for us to make sense of what you're saying.

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Trayvon shouldnt have done it, it was quick response to an unnormal situation.
Good, we're getting somewhere. It's Martin's poor decision that led to his death.

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Remember Trayvon is dead he didnt chance to collect the facts after the incident.

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I know its a novel concept to some, but black kids can be freaked out by old white guys following them. I guess the more accepted way of thinking is a young skittle toting child-thug Trayvon causing old white ladies to grip their purses a little tighter as he passes. Thats not the case here, and where the young thug totes skittles, the creepy coward Zim totes a pistol.
Aaaaand, there goes your credibility. You're a bigot and you don't even know it.
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Sorry look up the def of harrassed. Talking about creepy wasn't it not Marting who used a racial slur. If it was the other way around thats all we would hearing about.
Apparently it only counts when it suits the purposes of race baiters.

This case has been worked so hard by the media I'm not surprised that some easily influenced fools are being led to a conclusion that the facts don't support.
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