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Old 01-30-2013, 03:05 PM   #46
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We don't want anyone getting killed, do we?

There's not much turning the other cheek in islam.
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While I don't agree with either of those ads being rejected. Mohammad is clearly aimed at Islam whereas God is more broad that covers most religions.
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While I don't agree with either of those ads being rejected. Mohammad is clearly aimed at Islam whereas God is more broad that covers most religions.

Really good point. The ad should have said "Dont Believe In Allah?" in order to properly contrast it. While perhaps lesslikely, it wouldnt surprise me if they would have refused "Dont Believe In Jesus".
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We don't want anyone getting killed, do we?

There's not much turning the other cheek in islam.

Maybe Chrsitians should throw a sucker punch?
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Old 01-30-2013, 07:06 PM   #50
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Maybe Chrsitians should throw a sucker punch?

They should at least push back.....


WWJD? Maybe if they were moneylenders?

I particularly enjoyed the naivete of the following statements:

The challenge, then, at once simple and substantial, is to promote the peaceful messages at the heart of the world’s major faiths, while neutralising perversions of the core teachings.

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Given Christianity’s evolution, there are grounds for thinking that Islam may change, too.


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More than just a couple representing the GOP that are nutjobs.

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My suggestion is to the GOPers would do not want to be associated with people like this, than stop voting for people like this. Either that or simply disassociate them with the GOP party and disown them. Until you do, the GOP won't be winning shit in the near future. (unless of course they cheat their way in)
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Of course the problem with one of those is that Muslims are not supposed to "believe in" Muhammad. Muhammad explicitly said that he was a savior and should not be worshiped. Whoever made that image is misinformed about Islam.
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Of course the problem with one of those is that Muslims are not supposed to "believe in" Muhammad. Muhammad explicitly said that he was a savior and should not be worshiped. Whoever made that image is misinformed about Islam.
Just curious, what if it had said Muhammad's teachings. I know it's a hypothetical question, but would that have been seen as less offensive? I am with FD on this one, and don't think either really is appropriate for a public transit system.
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Just curious, what if it had said Muhammad's teachings. I know it's a hypothetical question, but would that have been seen as less offensive? I am with FD on this one, and don't think either really is appropriate for a public transit system.
According to Islam, Muhammad did not really teach. He was merely God's mouthpiece. God spoke through him. The Qur'an contains the words of God, not the words of Muhammad (except in two small spots where Muhammad does speak). Therefore Islamic teachings are God's teachings, not Muhammad's, according to mainstream Islam.

If there is any confusion on this issue, I recommend John Esposito's book <Islam: The Straight Path>, or Karen Armstrong's biography of Muhammad.
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According to Islam, Muhammad did not really teach. He was merely God's mouthpiece. God spoke through him.
And remarkably convenient depending on Mohammad's circumstance.

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The Qur'an contains the words of God, not the words of Muhammad (except in two small spots where Muhammad does speak). Therefore Islamic teachings are God's teachings, not Muhammad's, according to mainstream Islam.

If there is any confusion on this issue, I recommend John Esposito's book <Islam: The Straight Path>, or Karen Armstrong's biography of Muhammad.
I'd recommend Pickthall's translation of the quran followed by The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam for balance. Make sure you understand the difference between Medina and Mecca suras and amuse yourself with ahadith.

Karen Armstrong is a moslem stooge who should be ignored.

I don't try to mask my revulsion of this cult, proponents should be more honest about their fascination.

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And remarkably convenient depending on Mohammad's circumstance.



I'd recommend Pickthall's translation of the quran followed by The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam for balance. Make sure you understand the difference between Medina and Mecca suras and amuse yourself with ahadith.

Karen Armstrong is a moslem stooge who should be ignored.

I don't try to mask my revulsion of this cult, proponents should be more honest about their fascination.
Karen Armstrong is not a Muslim, much less a "stooge." She has written a number of award-winning books on a number of religious personalities, not just Muhammad.

The books I recommended are highly regarded works from erudite authors.
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the "freedom of religion vs freedom from religion" argument seems to being heating up amongst the devout christians and meddling non-christians . .

should a christian prayer be allowed at a public high school graduation?

should a pastor be able to hold a sermon on a public beach without a permit which is required when more than 50 people want to assemble?

idk and frankly i feel lucky to say i really dont care. although i do find religous zealots' wanting their beliefs to be law funny.
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Karen Armstrong is not a Muslim, much less a "stooge." She has written a number of award-winning books on a number of religious personalities, not just Muhammad.

The books I recommended are highly regarded works from erudite authors.
I apologize, I meant 'stooge for moslems/islam', and thought that to be apparent.

I trust people will do their research before picking up any of the books recommended.

Karen Armstrong, in the words of one of my heroes:

In any case, I am hopeful that Armstrong's winsome depiction of Islam will shame and enlighten them, as it has me. They will discover that Hassan al-Banna and Tariq Ramadan are paragons of meliorism and wisdom, while we are ignorant bigots who know nothing of theology (of course), politics (Christopher, are you listening?), human nature (what's to know?), or the proper limits of science (um ... narrower?).
I can't quite remember how we got it into our heads that jihad was linked to violence. (Might it have had something to do with the actual history and teachings of Islam?) And how could we have been so foolish as to connect the apparently inexhaustible supply of martyrs in the Muslim world to the Islamic doctrine of martyrdom? In my own defense, let me say that I do get spooked whenever Western Muslims advocate the murder of apostates (as 36 percent of Muslim young adults do in Britain). But I now know that these freedom-loving people just "want to see God reflected more clearly in public life."
I will call my friend Ayaan Hirsi Ali at once and encourage her to come out of hiding: Come on out, dear. Karen says the coast is clear. As it turns out, those people who have been calling for your murder don't understand Islam any better than we do. Sam Harris
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idk and frankly i feel lucky to say i really dont care.
We're particularly fortunate that we are still able to not care. For how long, though?
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