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Old 08-08-2012, 08:50 AM   #211
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Well if you think about it, the movie was made in 1993 - so ~20 years ago.

~ 20 years before 1993, I would suggest that you would be hard pressed to find a oscar nominated movie with a black man in one of the lead roles.

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Old 08-09-2012, 09:56 AM   #212
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That was a single, significant point but not the thrust of my argument. My point, as I so cleverly summed up, is that it is time to separate the "right" to marry from the "rite" to marry. Neither need be destroyed - they just each need to be true to their own underlying structures: contracts = govt./laws; sacraments = churches/rites.
Agreed and understood. As far as the governmental aspects, anyone should be free to enter a contract with whoever they choose. But, the contract does not have to be a marriage contract. It can simply be a contract, like you said, depending upon its underlying structure: i.e., I want to put my friend on my health insurance plan, who is down on his luck and can't afford his own. So, we enter into a contract of health insurance. No prerequisites required, it's completely up to me to decide.

In this example, it solves, or at least greatly helps, a lot of issues for everyone. First of all, gays could put their partners on their health insurance, straight singles could put their friends on their health insurance policy (which would help a lot of young college kids who a lot of times do not have health insurance policies of their own,) and the need for the government to step in and either subsidize health insurance or create a national health insurance policy would be greatly reduced. Also, those who are against gay marriage would not have to feel that they have to honor something that is against their beliefs, so everybody wins. I'm sure it's not that easy, but then again, maybe it is?

The big problem is, this argument has snow balled into something completely different from where it started out as. In the beginning, it was about gays being able to have the same marriage benefits as straight people. Then, it snow balled into gay marriage should be legally recognized by all - the heck with your personal values and beliefs. So, it turns into you're either going against your Christian or Muslim beliefs, or either just your beliefs in general, if you support gay marriage, and your called a bigot and a hater if you stand up for your beliefs. And all the while, no matter which way the government sides, there would still be discrimination of the singles out there who want access to the same rights.

That is why, the "rites" should be completely separated from the government completely. The "rights" should be rights held by all people, regardless of prerequisite. If I vote for the ban on same-sex marriage, I'm a bigot according to NC_Skins. However, if I go against my beliefs and I vote against it, then I'm forced into legally recognizing something as valid, and no matter what anybody says, your vote is an endorsement. Either way I vote, it's still discriminating against a group of people (singles for instance). In my eyes, as long as I feel God is endorsing my marriage, I could care less what the government thinks. Keep in mind, if we truly live in a free world, then we own the government, not the other way around. Get marriage out of the hands of the government, and put it back into the hands of the people!
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Old 08-15-2012, 11:35 AM   #213
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ABC, CBS, NBC Ignore Chick-fil-A Vandalism Incidents | NewsBusters.org
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Old 08-15-2012, 01:24 PM   #214
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Maryland


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Frederick Chick-fil-A restaurant vandalized

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Frederick Chick-Fil-A Restaurant Vandalized « CBS Baltimore

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Frederick Chick-fil-A Reopens After Vandalism | NBC4 Washington


California

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"Tastes Like Hate" Painted on Torrance Chick-fil-A, More Protests Planned | NBC Southern California


CBS
‘Tastes Like Hate’: Torrance Chick-Fil-A Vandalized Ahead Of ‘Same Sex Kiss Day’ « CBS Los Angeles


ABC
Calif Man Arrested for Message on Chick-Fil-A - ABC News

Torrance Chick-fil-A graffiti: man arrested | abc7.com


Missouri

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Local site was shitty...couldn't find much of anything on anything..lol

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Des Peres Chick-fil-A vandalized | ksdk.com

CBS
Vandal spray paints anti-hate message on Des Peres Chick-Fil-A | KMOV.com St. Louis






Nice try Mr. Right Wing Propaganda.
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Old 08-15-2012, 01:27 PM   #215
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Can you guys call JR in here? At least he made it challenging. :cheeky-sm
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Old 08-15-2012, 03:21 PM   #216
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Nice try Mr. Right Wing Propaganda.
Im not right wing propaganda anything. Im socially liberal, fiscally conservative, overall libertarian leaning. All im tryin to do is point out the hypocrisy and a lack of balance, fairness and overall objectiveness in much of the traditional media.

I suspect you get most of, if not all of, your news from online sources? I get the vast majority of mine from online aswell. And while ill often gravitate to mediums that offer point of views that i know are in alignment with mine, i usually just like getting a good fix for whats happening in the world.

But for many people, unlike like you and me, who have a disinterest in worldly or opinion news and just want to get a handle on whats going on in the world today by turning on the Evening, Nightly, or World news or evening flipping to the cable news shows are unfortunately missing out on the objectiveness theyre seeking.

Regardless, instead of spending your time showing off your sweet search skills by linking to all sorts of articles reporting the acts of vandalism from CBS, ABC and NBC news affiliates you could have spent 2 minutes reading the article. Or at least the first paragraph:


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The broadcast networks complain loudly about real or perceived offenses committed by conservatives. But when they are faced with violence committed by those they agree with, they downplay or even bury such behavior. The silence of the networks regarding the vandalism of multiple Chick-fil-A restaurants is only the latest example of destruction committed by the left and ignored by the media.
Read more: ABC, CBS, NBC Ignore Chick-fil-A Vandalism Incidents | NewsBusters.org


Your ability to scour the net and find opinions that reinforce your own is uncanny. Your ability to find facts that handedly support your own arguments while ignoring the facts that compromise your stance is second to none. Your lack of tact and ability to criticize others that disagree with you rival only those of an 11th grade girl. You are truly unable to hear or see anything besides your own point of view.

There are many viable ways, and even more opinions, to tackle the problems and issues we're facing today. Including many opposing solutions, both with their own sound reasoning. So while you may be unburdened with the ability to apply consideration to the ideas and opinions that challenge your own, it doesn’t necessarily mean those ideas or opinions are wrong or without judgment.
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Old 08-15-2012, 03:46 PM   #217
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Your ability to scour the net and find opinions that reinforce your own is uncanny. Your ability to find facts that handedly support your own arguments while ignoring the facts that compromise your stance is second to none. Your lack of tact and ability to criticize others that disagree with you rival only those of an 11th grade girl. You are truly unable to hear or see anything besides your own point of view.

There are many viable ways, and even more opinions, to tackle the problems and issues we're facing today. Including many opposing solutions, both with their own sound reasoning. So while you may be unburdened with the ability to apply consideration to the ideas and opinions that challenge your own, it doesn’t necessarily mean those ideas or opinions are wrong or without judgment.

mlm, I've had the same sig since I signed up on WP and read some pretty funny posts......but this is surely sig worthy. lol.
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Old 08-15-2012, 03:52 PM   #218
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Im not right wing propaganda anything. Im socially liberal, fiscally conservative, overall libertarian leaning. All im tryin to do is point out the hypocrisy and a lack of balance, fairness and overall objectiveness in much of the traditional media.
It was a shot at the author and report itself. Unless you are in fact the one who wrote that garbage.


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Regardless, instead of spending your time showing off your sweet search skills by linking to all sorts of articles reporting the acts of vandalism from CBS, ABC and NBC news affiliates you could have spent 2 minutes reading the article. Or at least the first paragraph:
Ok mmpetert, let me break this down to you.

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ABC, CBS, NBC Ignore Chick-fil-A Vandalism Incidents
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The broadcast networks buried the three instances of vandalism altogether; not a single mention of vandalism at any of the three Chick-fil-A locations was reported by ABC, CBS, or NBC.
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The silence of the networks regarding the vandalism of multiple Chick-fil-A restaurants is only the latest example of destruction committed by the left and ignored by the media.
Blatant lies. Absolutely false. It wasn't ignored, but this asshat has the audacity to claim it was. I did read it unfortunately and it was all hogwash. Nothing from that article had any substance or truth to it. Not a single iota. I mean hell, at least Fox News tells half truths mostly, this guy doesn't even have the common courtesy to do that.

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But the networks did not report on Castro’s expression of his opinion
Do what? This is about as stupid as it gets. How many TV stations report on a criminals "expression of opinion" right after they've committed a misdemeanor? Sir, I'm with ABC news and I would like to get your expression of opinion on why you decided to drive 45 mph in a 35mph zone? Sir, the world is on standby waiting for your griping response.




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This fits in with the networks’ narrative to ignore the misdeeds of those they happen to agree with

Again, more babble and bullshit. They reported these deeds even though this author is claiming they didn't.


Not even sure what to tell you man, if you can't see this then I can't help you. I'm not surprised to see articles like the one you posted since it's a long standing practice of ring wing media outlets. (not to say it doesn't happen on the left side of it)



Remember back in 2009 when Fox News printed a add saying how did CNN and other didn't cover the Tea Party Rally? Yeah, they got shit on as well.
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Old 08-15-2012, 03:55 PM   #219
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mlm, I've had the same sig since I signed up on WP and read some pretty funny posts......but this is surely sig worthy. lol.

Maybe I should bring in Smoot's sig.

You are so vain you think this post is about you.
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Old 08-15-2012, 03:59 PM   #220
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Maybe I should bring in Smoot's sig.

You are so vain you think this post is about you.
You could, but it wouldn't be as funny.
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Old 08-15-2012, 04:06 PM   #221
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Your ability to scour the net and find opinions that reinforce your own is uncanny. Your ability to find facts that handedly support your own arguments while ignoring the facts that compromise your stance is second to none. Your lack of tact and ability to criticize others that disagree with you rival only those of an 11th grade girl. You are truly unable to hear or see anything besides your own point of view.

There are many viable ways, and even more opinions, to tackle the problems and issues we're facing today. Including many opposing solutions, both with their own sound reasoning. So while you may be unburdened with the ability to apply consideration to the ideas and opinions that challenge your own, it doesn’t necessarily mean those ideas or opinions are wrong or without judgment.

I haven't said the first thing to you or about you in my reply. I made a flippant remark about right wing propaganda, and you somehow took as it was directed personally to you. Quit being so sensitive. What I did was absolutely positively destroyed that hatchet job on ABC/CBS/NBC and any reasonable person can see that. (and I don't even view those media sites)

If I post a hack job like the one you did, by all means feel free to respond the same way. In fact, I encourage it. Would it have been better if I had posted the "O 'Rly?" owl instead?
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Old 08-15-2012, 04:48 PM   #222
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My guess is mlm's claim is that it wasn't on the nightly news on any of those broadcasts. To which I'd say...do people still watch the nightly news anyway?

But seriously, either way it was reported by several of the network's owned and operated stations as noted in the links
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Old 08-16-2012, 04:09 AM   #223
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To which I'd say...do people still watch the nightly news anyway?

NO!,We try ,my wife and I last night tried to but we are just sick of the political ads,no joke everytime one came on .....party did not matter,we changed the channel.We already know who we are voting for.
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Old 08-16-2012, 08:27 AM   #224
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I watch the local news pretty much every night. National, not so much.
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Old 08-16-2012, 04:32 PM   #225
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This whole Chick-Fil-A ordeal just got uglier. From an article on yesterday's shooting in DC at the conservative Family Research Council:

"The FBI affifavit said authorities recovered the 9mm Sig Sauer handgun, plus two additional magazines of ammunition. When agents searched Corkins’s backback, they found another 50 rounds of ammunition, and 15 sandwiches from Chick-Fil-A.

[. . . ] The FBI affidavit says that agents interviewed Corkins’s [the shooter] parents, who said their son “has strong opinions with respect to those he believes do not treat homosexuals in a fair manner."'

Floyd Lee Corkins charged in Family Research Council shooting - The Washington Post

You think he planned to use the sandwiches for some sort of demonstration? Everyone, on both sides, needs to take a deep breath and find increased civility. Each side keeps ignoring the other side's humanity.
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