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Old 05-10-2012, 10:57 AM   #31
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Nice find NC. Although anytime I hear someone quoting Rush, I automatically think of this.

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Old 05-10-2012, 11:01 AM   #32
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Jon Stewart Praises President Obama, Rips North Carolina for Gay Marriage Decisions (Video) - Hollywood Reporter


Jon Stewart is hilarious. Watch this. He has the best insult ever near the end dealing with a bald head guy speaking out against gay marriage.


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Whether people agree with it or not, I just cannot fathom why other people should be afforded less rights than others. That's the bottom line.

I mean take POLITICS out of it even, it's just a basic human right.
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Old 05-10-2012, 01:33 PM   #35
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They don't have the same rights. I was able to marry the woman I love. My neighbor down the street can't marry the man he loves
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Robert Ingersoll on rights:

"The true civilization is where every man gives to every other man every right he claims for himself."
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Old 05-10-2012, 01:48 PM   #37
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You say less rights but they can marry a person of the opposit sex like us, so they do have the same rights. People could say you want to grant them additional rights. So while we are at it I want to have the right to marry 3 women.
And you should be able to. As long as everybody is a voluntary, willing, adult participant, there should be no restrictions.

Why there are so many people who think that adults engaging in consentual acts with other adults need the approval or permission of other adults in a country that calls itself "free" is baffling.
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They don't have the same rights. I was able to marry the woman I love. My neighbor down the street can't marry the man he loves
Amen. firstdown, really? I mean step aside from religion for just a hot second. What's the big deal? I'd love to hear a non-religion based argument.
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But like you he can marry a woman. You know I'm just playing Devil's Advocate. I love three women is that also ok?
The question should be rephrased as "I love three women, why isn't OK to marry them all?"

...the second and the third question then become "can firstdown handle three women" and "are there three women on the planet with low enough self-esteem to want to marry firstdown?"
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I think there is plenty enough ignorance to go around on both sides of the argument...I've already been witness to that in this thread by all the childish name calling.

Look, here's the thing, it comes down to simply this: state sponsored benefits. The state recognizing heterosexual marriage was mainly intended to encourage those married couples to procreate and populate. More population = more taxable income from future generations, at least in the government's eyes. The government can care less, or should care less, about the sanctity of marriage or who loves whom, so forth and so on. That isn't really the purpose of this.

My point is, the government is going about this the wrong way. You people who are still arguing hot and heavy in favor of gay marriage are still supporting discrimination, because you have flat out ignored those loving couples who have children together but are not married nor believe in marriage, yet have a loving home together. Should they be left out in the dark as well? Might I add that not all of the states in the union recognize a couple living together for so many years as being legally married. At least that isn't the case in NC. But, my point is, I have not heard any of the high and mighty here be a voice for any of those people either!

The thing is, the arugment has gone into a polarizing way where you're a homophobe if you don't agree with homosexuality, or your ignorant or whatever. You're just as ignorant for trying to down people's beliefs and belittling them in hopes of changing their views. That's a third grade way of going about doing things. It's just as intolerant. There would be absolutely no argument from either side if the government stayed out the marriage business like it should. If it was so gun-ho on giving benefits to couples who could procreate or wanting to adopt, then it should have just left it at that - benefits to those who are living together and have children together either through natural means or adoption. That way, nobody is left out. But, people will continue to argue and fight the wrong fight, and as long as it's about trying to convince somebody that their views are right or wrong, this country will never get passed this issue.
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The gays will eventually win, it's just a matter of time. All these GOP/Conservative efforts will eventually die and we will look back and say "WTF were those morons thinking?"

In time victory shall belong to the gays, resistance is merely a temporary gimmick.

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The thing is, the arugment has gone into a polarizing way where you're a homophobe if you don't agree with homosexuality, or your ignorant or whatever. You're just as ignorant for trying to down people's beliefs and belittling them in hopes of changing their views. That's a third grade way of going about doing things. It's just as intolerant.
Not sure you are referring to me because I've used the term ignorant on a few occasions in here, but it wasn't for their views on homosexuality. It was for their inability to see that all people should have rights as human beings, and that these marriages affect them in absolutely no way whatsoever. So what do you call a guy who's mad at somebody for doing something that doesn't affect him whatsoever?

I could care less if people want to view homosexuality as a sin or what not. That's their choosing just as other religions choose to believe what they want.

However, when your religion interferes with others rights, it then becomes a problem.
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I think there is plenty enough ignorance to go around on both sides of the argument...I've already been witness to that in this thread by all the childish name calling.

Look, here's the thing, it comes down to simply this: state sponsored benefits. The state recognizing heterosexual marriage was mainly intended to encourage those married couples to procreate and populate. More population = more taxable income from future generations, at least in the government's eyes. The government can care less, or should care less, about the sanctity of marriage or who loves whom, so forth and so on. That isn't really the purpose of this.

My point is, the government is going about this the wrong way. You people who are still arguing hot and heavy in favor of gay marriage are still supporting discrimination, because you have flat out ignored those loving couples who have children together but are not married nor believe in marriage, yet have a loving home together. Should they be left out in the dark as well? Might I add that not all of the states in the union recognize a couple living together for so many years as being legally married. At least that isn't the case in NC. But, my point is, I have not heard any of the high and mighty here be a voice for any of those people either!

The thing is, the arugment has gone into a polarizing way where you're a homophobe if you don't agree with homosexuality, or your ignorant or whatever. You're just as ignorant for trying to down people's beliefs and belittling them in hopes of changing their views. That's a third grade way of going about doing things. It's just as intolerant. There would be absolutely no argument from either side if the government stayed out the marriage business like it should. If it was so gun-ho on giving benefits to couples who could procreate or wanting to adopt, then it should have just left it at that - benefits to those who are living together and have children together either through natural means or adoption. That way, nobody is left out. But, people will continue to argue and fight the wrong fight, and as long as it's about trying to convince somebody that their views are right or wrong, this country will never get passed this issue.
I am not sure how much thought you've put into the above paragraph but two things stick out to me immediately:

a) unmarried/single people pay more in taxes
b) less population less expenditure

With the way things are right now in this country you want more unmarried/single people pay more taxes and population growth to dwindle or even go into the negative.

If the government truly wants to have more money in it's coffers it should discourage marriage.
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Not sure you are referring to me because I've used the term ignorant on a few occasions in here, but it wasn't for their views on homosexuality. It was for their inability to see that all people should have rights as human beings, and that these marriages affect them in absolutely no way whatsoever. So what do you call a guy who's mad at somebody for doing something that doesn't affect him whatsoever?

I could care less if people want to view homosexuality as a sin or what not. That's their choosing just as other religions choose to believe what they want.

However, when your religion interferes with others rights, it then becomes a problem.
That being said, skinsguy really does break it down to a pretty decent bottom-line. I think the problem is that it comes from a place of hate/intolerance from (most) people who oppose gay marriage. There are many, many intangible things in this whole argument, but the tangible one is also a VERY important one that skinsguy elaborated on.
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