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Old 07-05-2012, 05:48 PM   #136
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If the story is true about the Bermurda money not claim, then thats flat out tax evasion. The Caymen island accounts is just so typical of a money whore rich american.
Let's say you're a successful businessman, you worked your hind-quarters off in school, took the risk of funding your own college, worked 50+ hour weeks for 20+ years and now are doing well. Not mega-rich, but say $ 1M yr. or so income. You're already paying a much higher tax rate than most everyone else and you're subject to the estate tax when you pass away, why would you not do everything you could to protect your hard earned assests for yourself and your family (think future generations)? Why would you pay more to the gov't who will simply take your money and do whatever it wants with it? It could be used to fund Planned Parenthood, it could be used for a new weapon system, it could go to a social program, it doesn't matter where the $$$ goes it's not going to help you and your family.
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Old 07-05-2012, 07:34 PM   #137
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The Wall Street Journal: Romney's Tax Confusion - WSJ.com


Game. Set. Match?


I'm telling you. Obama needs to change his 2012 campaign slogan to this.


"Why try? It's Mitt Romney"
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Old 07-05-2012, 09:27 PM   #138
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i would equate a cayman island account to an earned income refund when you paid no taxes to begin with. Both can be done legally. Both give fuel to the other side of the debate's arguments and frustration with our system.
That's a very shitty unbalanced equation. One is paying someone to shield their money from uncle sam and the other works hard but has no money to pay uncle sam let alone someone to hide money for them.

You guys make it seem like anyone could qualify for earned income credit, forget who created it and why it's a bloody good idea (hint, Ford created, Reagan strengthened it and it is meant to provide people and families relief and help them escape poverty).
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Old 07-05-2012, 09:31 PM   #139
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The Wall Street Journal: Romney's Tax Confusion - WSJ.com


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I'm telling you. Obama needs to change his 2012 campaign slogan to this.


"Why try? It's Mitt Romney"
LOL, it's not his fault he is rich but it will be his fault when he loses the election.
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LOL, it's not his fault he is rich but it will be his fault when he loses the election.
It will will be the whole GOP to blame ! I admit I am a registered repubican but I swear there is not one worth a damn anywhere in sight,I will vote Obama becuase he the less of 2 evils.
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It will will be the whole GOP to blame ! I admit I am a registered repubican but I swear there is not one worth a damn anywhere in sight,I will vote Obama becuase he the less of 2 evils.

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From the Yahoo! link above i dont see any reference to fraud or tax evasion or doing something illegal? Is what Mitt did just publicly distasteful, or could this be truely construed as tax evasion?
The United States is unlike other countries in that, with some exceptions, its citizens are subject to U.S. tax on their worldwide income no matter where in the world they reside. Although there are some offshore bank accounts that advertise as tax havens, U.S. law requires reporting of income from those accounts, and willful failure to do so constitutes tax evasion.
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I agree with CR's post at # 134. The wealthy aren't "cheating" on their taxes, they're simply working within the rules set forth by gov't. That being said, those who don't pay any taxes committing fraud in fed programs are straight out stealing. They're taking something they haven't paid anything for.

The top 1% pay approximately % 40 or so of federal income taxes. This begs a larger question, why should the wealthy have to pay a higher % in tax than someone who's poor. Does a wealthy person use more of the federal highway system? Does the military protect the wealthy person more than the poor person from foreign aggression? Does the Medicare/SS serve the wealthy more than the poor person?

Let's not forget all the wealthy aren't just the "evil, rich, country club republicans". Many of the rich are Dems....but as long as they can influence members of Congress to protect their interests it makes sense to send a few thousand to Dems/libs. There are many areas where you will never have a R/con congressperson.

I'm not OK with Medicare, Welfare and other types of fraud, of course not it's against the law. If you've followed my posts over the years, I support FairTax, you can find info on it here: www.fairtax.org

FairTax will be revenue neutral, closes the tax loopholes used by the very rich and is a point-of-sale tax. Same rate for everyone, rich buy more they're taxed more.
i def dont agree with CR 134 post, and FairTax i dont know enough about, ill read up. Most of what I have heard about Fairtax has been vastly inconsistent. Our tax codes and rules are out dated and need addressing asap. I agree with Paul Ryan when he said "cutting federal spending is the perfect time to look at Tax reform" or something along those lines. He's exactly right. I just have zero faith in our congress.
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It's not in the interest of special interest groups/lobbyists to have a flat tax, it's never happen.

Be nice if it did.
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Old 07-06-2012, 10:35 AM   #145
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i def dont agree with CR 134 post, and FairTax i dont know enough about, ill read up. Most of what I have heard about Fairtax has been vastly inconsistent. Our tax codes and rules are out dated and need addressing asap. I agree with Paul Ryan when he said "cutting federal spending is the perfect time to look at Tax reform" or something along those lines. He's exactly right. I just have zero faith in our congress.
Agree 100% with you on bolded.
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So its ok when the wealthy cheat on taxes, but its not ok 51% dont pay? Under the same logic, if the poor cheat on taxes, your good with that too? So if its a tax free for all, your good with fraud in medicare, welfare claims, and general social services, because thats just money politicians are hoarding and spending for their own gain? Its stealing from services that support our country!

If the story is true about the Bermurda money not claim, then thats flat out tax evasion. The Caymen island accounts is just so typical of a money whore rich american.
Hello your own link said it was found on his 2010 to 2011 tax return. Actually it Was NC's link from the post he started on this.

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The United States is unlike other countries in that, with some exceptions, its citizens are subject to U.S. tax on their worldwide income no matter where in the world they reside. Although there are some offshore bank accounts that advertise as tax havens, U.S. law requires reporting of income from those accounts, and willful failure to do so constitutes tax evasion.
Once again he claimed this on his 2010 2011 tax return that the article linked to this subject.
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Well Obama has thrown away another 90 some million tax dollars on a failing Green Company.

Lights go dim on another energy project - Washington Times


How about those employment numbers going south AGAIN.
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Old 07-06-2012, 12:43 PM   #149
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Romney on jobs report: ‘This kick in the gut has got to end’ | The Ticket - Yahoo! News


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"It doesn't have to be this way," Romney declared. "I will offer a different course, a better path."
Which is? Has he even came up with a plan instead of his vague general talk of how his path is better, yet doesn't offer a plan?
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Romney on jobs report: ‘This kick in the gut has got to end’ | The Ticket - Yahoo! News




Which is? Has he even came up with a plan instead of his vague general talk of how his path is better, yet doesn't offer a plan?
A quick Google search will show you Romney does have a specific plan for Job Creation and to get economic growth going again. C'mon NC, Believe in America!

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