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Old 07-27-2012, 01:31 PM   #226
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The British PM and then the Mayor of London totally bitch smacked Romney in front of 60,000 screaming fans yesterday. But yeah, let's talk about Churchhill's bust. lol
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Romney campaign tries to pick up the pieces from gaffe-strewn London visit | World news | guardian.co.uk
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Old 07-27-2012, 01:40 PM   #228
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The British PM and then the Mayor of London totally bitch smacked Romney in front of 60,000 screaming fans yesterday. But yeah, let's talk about Churchhill's bust. lol
You think if we extended the Churchill Bust loan and kept it we would be harboring the bust of an Hitler-centric anti-appeasement bandwagoner in the White House or would we be taking valuable bust space that could be filled by an American?
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British press fillets Romney - Patrick Gavin - POLITICO.com

Im seriously not voting this year. "Mitt the Twit", what a complete embarressment...epic fail.
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Look, President Obama snuck the Churchill bust back in the White House. #stoplisteningtofoxnews

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Fact Check: The Bust of Winston Churchill | The White House
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MonkeyDad and HailGreen28,

Look, President Obama snuck the Churchill bust back in the White House. #stoplisteningtofoxnews

Shhh...

Fact Check: The Bust of Winston Churchill | The White House
Man, they even had me with the whole bust thing....You mean to tell me it was all a lie and the bust is still there? Team Romney has been negligent in fact checking their candidate's talking points?

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Old 07-27-2012, 02:16 PM   #233
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So awesome.
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Old 07-27-2012, 02:29 PM   #234
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Man, they even had me with the whole bust thing....You mean to tell me it was all a lie and the bust is still there? Team Romney has been negligent in fact checking their candidate's talking points?
What's utterly insane is they can see it right there in plain view, with the British PM, and still won't believe it.
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I think well hear more about Churchill's bust pretty soon. But i think the issue is that it was removed from the Oval Office, not that it was sent back to GB. Back in 2009:

A British Embassy spokesman said: "The bust of Sir Winston Churchill by Sir Jacob Epstein was uniquely lent to a foreign head of state, President George W Bush, from the Government Art Collection in the wake of 9/11 as a signal of the strong transatlantic relationship.

"It was lent for the first term of office of President Bush. When the President was elected for his second and final term, the loan was extended until January 2009.

"The new President has decided not to continue this loan and the bust has now been returned. It is on display at the Ambassador's Residence."


Barack Obama sends bust of Winston Churchill on its way back to Britain - Telegraph

Romney's actual (meaning real) remarks:

"I'm looking forward to the bust of Winston Churchill being in the Oval Office again,"

Romney promises to bring Churchill bust back to White House - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Maybe by placing it with the diplomat it becomes technically held by the foreign country the said diplomat represents?
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It's really not that serious to begin with, I only raised it because Monkeyday made hay about it.
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My understanding is that the bust has not been returned or given back to the ambassador. It was simply relocated from the Oval Office to another location in the White House in favor of Abe's bust.

The whole story about it being returned or what have you originated from National Journal and it seems that the media neglected to fact check NJ's claims. Also, Romney could very well have been just saying that he would relocate Churchill's bust back to the Oval Office...hopefully not in favor of Abe's bust.

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It's really not that serious to begin with, I only raised it because Monkeyday made hay about it.
It really isn't...Given that bust space is limited I do think that busts of great Americans belong in the Oval Office more so than that of any other foreign figures.
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My understanding is that the bust has not been returned or given back to ambassador. It was simply relocated from the Oval Office to another location in the White House in favor of Abe's bust.

The whole story about it being returned or what have you originated from national Journal and it seems that the media neglected to fact check NJ's claims. Also, Romney could very well have been just saying that he would relocate Churchill's bust back to the Oval Office...hopefully not in favor of Abe's bust.

You know im pretty interested in what the real story is now. I too was under the impression that the Bust left the White House.

Interestingly the WH Fact Check never makes any direct mention of the Bust leaving the White House, just that it is in the WH and has been since at least July 20th of 2010. But it does say Krauthammer is 100% lieing and Krauthammer implies it left the WH.

Also Krauthammer never says the Bust isnt currently in the WH, just that Obama removed the bust from the Oval Office and returned it to the British Embassy. Which is either partially or completely true.

Meanwhile the British Embassy spokesperson said in Feburary 2009 that the bust had indeed been returned to them and is "on display at Ambassador's Residence".

To me this sounds like because of all the heat the President took by returning the Bust he brought it back. And it appears he brought back quitely. Either way either The WH Fact Check or the British Embassy lied. However Krauthammer didnt, as he was either mistaken (like all of us) or right. And Romney, in what im thinking was in a completely acidental way, said nothing that could be viewed as incorrect by any means.
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