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Old 05-30-2012, 03:51 PM   #16
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I am also a dickhead and I don't shy away from it. Self-acknowledgement is a prerequisite for self-education.
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Old 05-30-2012, 04:53 PM   #17
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Well we agree on something.
I am very agreeable.
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Then it's not an act.
Of course it isn't an act but some people will never acknowledged that.


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No. To be aware is to recognize, to acknowledge is to recognize and let it be known that you recognize.
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:50 AM   #19
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lulz.

Ask a Birther: Are You Convinced by Mitt Romney's Birth Certificate? - Politics - The Atlantic Wire


Birthers are stumped on this one...lol



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Even Maureen Dowd beginning to turn?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/03/op...=1&ref=opinion
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GM, she's the Sally Jenkins of the NYT. Big Hillary supporter, professional complainer.
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Old 06-04-2012, 09:06 AM   #22
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Even Maureen Dowd beginning to turn?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/03/op...=1&ref=opinion
A few comments about this article.


I think Obama's biggest downfall has been not addressing the economy from the get-go. Instead, he chose to roll with a controversial health care plan for the US, which ultimately led to the Dems losing the house again. That wasn't the priority that should have been addressed, and this should have been something really that could have been addressed in his second term. This, and he's surrounded himself with idiots because he's rotating his staff at a alarming rate.

Bill isn't helping his wife's chances at being in office again. Wouldn't Hillary tell him to STFU? You'd think so.


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He wanted to get out of the corporate world he found so distasteful — he described himself as “a spy behind enemy lines” — and reimagine himself as a politician.
Ironic, because he's ended up a corporate patsy like all the other ones.


Thought the article was a good one to be honest.
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Old 06-04-2012, 10:03 AM   #23
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The Op was garbage and I'm not saying that just because I support the president. Nearly half of the article was spent promoting a soon to be released book trashing Obama dating back to his college years and time as a community organizer. How that is relevant in terms the past 3.5 years is beyond me.

Secondly, your timeline is off. The president did focus on jobs first. The Recovery Act, so called stimulus, was his first and major piece of economic legislation passed in Jan/09. It was nearly a year later when healthcare was passed. Nearly forty percent of the stimulus contained tax cuts to small businesses and 95% percent of Americans. CBO estimates that north of 5 million jobs can be attributed to the stimulus. Although it's hard to pin point an exact number.

Third, with the exception of Chief of Staff, I'm not sure what positions have been rotating at an alarming rate. On the foreign policy side, he it's been an even rotation and I would hardly call Bob Gates, Hillary Clinton, and Leon Panetta idiots. On the domestic side -- same Sec. Treasury since day one, Sec. of Labor, and Sec. of Transportation, Same AG, et al. Yes, they've burned through 3 Chief of Staffs, that's a lot in 3 years..although Rahm resigned to run for Mayor.
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Secondly, your timeline is off. The president did focus on jobs first. The Recovery Act, so called stimulus, was his first and major piece of economic legislation passed in Jan/09. It was nearly a year later when healthcare was passed. Nearly forty percent of the stimulus contained tax cuts to small businesses and 95% percent of Americans. CBO estimates that north of 5 million jobs can be attributed to the stimulus. Although it's hard to pin point an exact number.

Third, with the exception of Chief of Staff, I'm not sure what positions have been rotating at an alarming rate. On the foreign policy side, he it's been an even rotation and I would hardly call Bob Gates, Hillary Clinton, and Leon Panetta idiots. On the domestic side -- same Sec. Treasury since day one, Sec. of Labor, and Sec. of Transportation, Same AG, et al. Yes, they've burned through 3 Chief of Staffs, that's a lot in 3 years..although Rahm resigned to run for Mayor.
Maybe I should say, he didn't focus enough on the economy, especially when that was the biggest issue that needed to be deal with. Putting down legislation that would criminalize actions like we saw from Wall Street (and continue to see) would have been a great start and possibly tighter restrictions on loans given to them. In a perfect world, people wouldn't need their hand held, but we've seen greed become the common denominator here that requires the hand holding as to prevent our economy from doing another nose dive. Cut spending, close tax loopholes for rich and corporations, etc.....many other things needed before his Health Care Bill.

I should have clarified the "idiots' he's surrounding himself with. I wasn't referring to his whole staff. The point is, he has failed big time on the economy which is the single most important issue at hand here. Not Iran, not Afghan, not Iraq, but the economy.


I understand he needs help, and he has gotten exactly 0 help from the GOP crew. It's like those assholes are deliberately sabotaging him just so they can say LOOOK SEE!! HE"S BAD!! All the while they are the true culprits behind this.

Is there anyway we can split up our country into the GOP/Liberals? I'd be willing to move just to watch those idiots drive themselves into the ground spending all their money on military all the while their middle class gets snuffed out and basically end up slaves.
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Look, I've pretty much resigned myself the reality that Congress is what it is. The voters will and should hold the president accountable on November 6 regardless of the clear obstructionism we've witnessed over the past 3.5 years. I'm not here to make any excuses for Obama. He's a big boy, he signed up for this job, and he needs to put in more work to make this shit right. Period. Voters reward results, not good intentions.

That said, let's see where the economy is come November before we start pronouncing failure.
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Old 06-04-2012, 10:43 AM   #26
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12th man. I don't need to wait till November. As long as money is guiding our politics, it'll continue to be a failure. It's time we get corporate america out of our goverment as well as the religious nuts.
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This isn't really directly tied to the Presidential race since both parties are gung ho for military spending (regardless of the spin), but read this article, and ask yourself who is the aggressor in the dynamic. And if another country were spending this much on an invisible battleship, how would it be portrayed in our media/politics.

Stealth destroyer, at over $3 billion apiece, is US Navy’s latest answer to rising China - The Washington Post
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Old 06-04-2012, 11:45 AM   #28
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I believe two people have resigned: Christina Romer and Larry Summers resigned. Tim Geithner is still there. Romer more or less took the position knowing she would return back to teaching in short order.
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Even Maureen Dowd beginning to turn?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/03/op...=1&ref=opinion
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/14/opinion/14dowd.html

Column from Maureen Dowd trashing Obama back in Feb 2007. Same shit, different day.
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Had to laugh at this.

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