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Old 07-27-2012, 03:19 PM   #301
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My understanding is that the bust has not been returned or given back to ambassador. It was simply relocated from the Oval Office to another location in the White House in favor of Abe's bust.

The whole story about it being returned or what have you originated from national Journal and it seems that the media neglected to fact check NJ's claims. Also, Romney could very well have been just saying that he would relocate Churchill's bust back to the Oval Office...hopefully not in favor of Abe's bust.

You know im pretty interested in what the real story is now. I too was under the impression that the Bust left the White House.

Interestingly the WH Fact Check never makes any direct mention of the Bust leaving the White House, just that it is in the WH and has been since at least July 20th of 2010. But it does say Krauthammer is 100% lieing and Krauthammer implies it left the WH.

Also Krauthammer never says the Bust isnt currently in the WH, just that Obama removed the bust from the Oval Office and returned it to the British Embassy. Which is either partially or completely true.

Meanwhile the British Embassy spokesperson said in Feburary 2009 that the bust had indeed been returned to them and is "on display at Ambassador's Residence".

To me this sounds like because of all the heat the President took by returning the Bust he brought it back. And it appears he brought back quitely. Either way either The WH Fact Check or the British Embassy lied. However Krauthammer didnt, as he was either mistaken (like all of us) or right. And Romney, in what im thinking was in a completely acidental way, said nothing that could be viewed as incorrect by any means.
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Old 07-27-2012, 03:45 PM   #302
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You're missing the point.

The inference by Krauthammer and other right wing loons was that President Obama slighted the Brits by shipping the bust back to Britain. Whether it was moved 10 blocks up the street to the Embassy and later back to the White House is immaterial and entirely besides the point. It's in the White House and Obama rightly gave deference to Lincoln over Churchill

The narrative is what's important here; that Obama slighted the Brits, lacked judgement and diplomacy. That lie has been perpetuated for three years and now has been proven patently false. That's the point.

I'm done with this thread.
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Old 07-27-2012, 04:01 PM   #303
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I completely agree that Lincoln bust should be in the office over Churchill's. But youre completely mistaken if you think that if Obama gave the bust back to the Brits is somehow immaterial or besides the point. And how in any way has the narrative that Obama slighted the Brits been proven "patently false"? If Obama took the statue back because he realized he slighted the Brits it kind feel the "lie" isnt all that much of a lie.


I just find this whole thing curious because like everyone else i was under the impression that Obama slighted the Brits by giving the bust back. So did he? Did the bust leave the whitehouse? Why did it come back? Will Kelly go to the dance with Zack?
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Seriously?

Romney is stupid with Britain?

He didn't offend them by returning the Winston Churchhill bust or present the queen with an audio edition of his greatest speeches.

No comparison. Don't even try that argument. The grasping at straws by scared liberals everywhere is pathetic.
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Old 07-27-2012, 04:18 PM   #306
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I completely agree that Lincoln bust should be in the office over Churchill's. But youre completely mistaken if you think that if Obama gave the bust back to the Brits is somehow immaterial or besides the point. And how in any way has the narrative that Obama slighted the Brits been proven "patently false"? If Obama took the statue back because he realized he slighted the Brits it kind feel the "lie" isnt all that much of a lie.


I just find this whole thing curious because like everyone else i was under the impression that Obama slighted the Brits by giving the bust back. So did he? Did the bust leave the whitehouse? Why did it come back? Will Kelly go to the dance with Zack?
Couldn't resist

The Brits love Obama. I hate to put it in those terms because he's a head of state not a celebrity, but it's true. I think that accurately captures the sentiment abroad towards the president. I have a few friends that live across the pond and they'd tell you themselves. David Cameron and Obama were at the NCAA tourney eating dogs and yucking it up. They appear to have a close relationship.

Here's a good article. "Cameron worships Obama"

http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report...1719869http://

David Cameron’s special relationship with President Obama - The Washington Post






So if there's anyone who's offended or feels slighted, I can assure you it's Obama's opponents in Congress.
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MonkeyDad and HailGreen28,

Look, President Obama snuck the Churchill bust back in the White House. #stoplisteningtofoxnews

Shhh...

Fact Check: The Bust of Winston Churchill | The White House
yeah that totally trumps not running a campaign on any issue or plan or principle. Just go totally negative and run on some discredited newspaper articles and bad singing by your opponent. What an inspiring president. Drag the campaign down to mudslinging on any stupid pr point you can. :doh

Regardless of which idiot wins this time around, "did you support obama?" ought to be an effective rebuttal to any democrat who wants to complain about negative campaigning the next 50 years.

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HG28, you're confusing us debating about a stupid bust with what Obama's talking about on the campaign trail? 'Cause he's talking about plenty issues.
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HG28, you're confusing us debating about a stupid bust with what Obama's talking about on the campaign trail? 'Cause he's talking about plenty issues.
Like what?
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Aiight, so here's the skinny. Seriously.

Turns out there are two Churchill busts. Yep. One was a gift during the Nixon administration and has remained a part of the White House's official art collection since. It's the one in the White House photo with Obama and Cameron.

The other, which was loaned to George Bush after 9/11, was already scheduled to go back before Obama arrived and is at the British Embassy.
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Aiight, so here's the skinny. Seriously.

Turns out there are two Churchill busts. Yep. One was a gift during the Nixon administration and has remained a part of the White House's official are collection since. It's the one in the White House photo with Obama and Cameron.

The other, which was loaned to George Bush after 9/11, was already scheduled to go back before Obama arrived and is at the British Embassy.
LOL....so for almost 10 years there were two busts of Churchill in the White House?
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Like what?
You want me to provide you with 7 months of video footage of the president discussing the issues?

He's been in OH, FL, VA, IA, CA, LA, TX several times in the past few months...weeks. Where've you been?
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Old 07-27-2012, 05:01 PM   #313
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LOL....so for almost 10 years there were two busts of Churchill in the White House?
Yep, by the same artist. Sir Jacob Epstein. Crazy shit.

Is the Churchill Bust Controversy A Total Bust? - ABC News
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Old 07-27-2012, 05:42 PM   #315
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Well im as surprised as everyone else. Im glad theres an end to this story finally. But to be nitpicky:

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‘The bust of Sir Winston Churchill by Sir Jacob Epstein was uniquely lent to a foreign head of state, President George W Bush, from the Government Art Collection in the wake of 9/11 as a signal of the strong transatlantic relationship. It was lent for the first term of office of President Bush. When the President was elected for his second and final term, the loan was extended until January 2009.

The new President has decided not to continue this loan and the bust has now been returned. It is on display at the Ambassador’s Residence.”
1) Maybe a language barrier of sorts? The whole bust thing was a resonable sized story/lure in America AND in Brittin for several years. Rightfully so or not, doesnt really matter. Why the hell did the Embassy never clairify their remarks?

2) So The White House blog and "fact" checker is just some kid with the internet? WTF, youd think he would have some kind of inside information and be posting real stuff. This fact checking kid is spreading more mis-information than anyone else. He's striaght up wrong on many things. His update doesnt even acknowlege that hes wrong, it just states info that he could have got from perusing the Debating With the Enemy section of his faviort Redskins forum. Jesus.
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