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Old 07-31-2012, 12:25 PM   #346
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Perhaps it falls in Shakespear's third category, a history?


I heard an interview about a month or so ago about this movie and it sounded pretty interesting. The director basically stated that conservitive documentries dont exist and that this is one form of media that liberals have used and done so well. He said a lot of his scripters/filmers/editors were all people that had experience with Moore or other liberal movie makers, and that in the process some of them turned conservative on many issues.......

But honestly, I watched the trailer to this thing this morning and it looks like it sucks pretty bad.
A movie based on suppositions doesn't make for a quality movie. It looks like dog shit but if they can get people to go watch it and make some change then it was worth is. In any case, is there any particular liberal movie you would like to compare this to?


As for people turning, well, people don't turn conservative...plus these conservative and liberal labels don't mean much these days because there are so many facets to individuals. African American's by and large consider themselves conservative but they are no conservative in voting sense.
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Old 07-31-2012, 07:13 PM   #347
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it is your responsibility to disapprove anything we say not the other way around.
Romney didn't pay any taxes for 10 years.

Harry Reid: Bain Investor Told Me That Mitt Romney 'Didn't Pay Any Taxes For 10 Years'
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In case you are unaware of this story.

Does the U.S. government have the right to kill its own citizens? - The Globe and Mail
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In my opinion yes , and in the example in the link remember it wasn't the US that put the child there it was his "radical" father.If any of you remember on 9/11 the AirForce was order to shoot down any planes in open US air space after a while and I agreed with that at the time so I won't throw this on Bush or Obama.
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Of course this "shell game" post comes from an "unbiased" source......the writer's tagline: Rick Ungar, writing from the left on politics and policy.

How about some real perspective on the Obama Admin and lefties shell game.

Setting Obama's "Great Fiscal Restraint Record" Straight

and before you simply discount the link beause it's from Heritage....read and understand the numbers. We're talking real dollars, not percentage increases....the Obama Admin is playing a semantics and shell game here, nothing more. Bottom line, Obama has done nothing to address the entitlement tsunami that is coming over the next decade and has racked up $5T + of REAL DOLLARS in National Debt in 3 years.

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Certainly a credible source Reid has.....

"Tellingly, neither Reid nor his office would reveal who the investor was, making it impossible to verify if the accusation is true. And as his quote makes clear, he's uncertain if the information is accurate. The Romney campaign's press secretary, Andrea Saul, has previously denied rumors that Romney didn't pay "any taxes at all."
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Of course this "shell game" post comes from an "unbiased" source......the writer's tagline: Rick Ungar, writing from the left on politics and policy.

How about some real perspective on the Obama Admin and lefties shell game.

Setting Obama's "Great Fiscal Restraint Record" Straight

and before you simply discount the link beause it's from Heritage....read and understand the numbers. We're talking real dollars, not percentage increases....the Obama Admin is playing a semantics and shell game here, nothing more. Bottom line, Obama has done nothing to address the entitlement tsunami that is coming over the next decade and has racked up $5T + of REAL DOLLARS in National Debt in 3 years.

NEXT.
So we should read Rick Ungar article as biased but the Heritage article as unbiased? LOL
All that stupid Heritage article shows is government spending increasing. When has it not year over year? You think as a percentage snapshots from 1960s to 2000 would think it would compare favorably to 2010 to 2050?


There is a simple way to prove you and the Heritage Foundation are full of it with a simple question: Can you account account for the 5 trillion dollars and show us the math?


The really sad thing is you don't even need to exaggerate deficit spending, his numbers scary enough on their own.
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LOL...vicious politics at it's best.

The fact that Romney has had a Swiss and Cayman Island bank accounts and 130 plus shell companies is sufficient for me to know his unscrupulousness. If he wants to hide his taxes it's going to be tough.
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Who is fighting for the middle class? President Obama versus Mitt Romney. — Barack Obama


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A movie based on suppositions doesn't make for a quality movie. It looks like dog shit but if they can get people to go watch it and make some change then it was worth is. In any case, is there any particular liberal movie you would like to compare this to?


As for people turning, well, people don't turn conservative...plus these conservative and liberal labels don't mean much these days because there are so many facets to individuals. African American's by and large consider themselves conservative but they are no conservative in voting sense.
I couldnt agree with you any more on your first 2 sentences.

Honestly i havent really seen any explicitly liberal movie/documentaries. Ive never seen a Moore flick, i never saw Al Gore's polar bear film. Ive saw Lose Change, but i dont know if id classify that as explicitly liberal or a documentary, rather just a conspiracy theory movie. It scared me though how easy it is to put something together thats captivating, persuasive and logical, yet sooooo factually flawed and misleading. Do you have any suggestions for me?

Im not sure what youre trying to say. Like people dont change? Can people not turn liberal either?

I actually put together a long winded response to your post yesterday, but decided not to post it.... too many digressions too many thoughts. In general i was thinking about how polarized it seems our country has become. I completely agree that conservative and liberal, left and right, totally lame and completely whack, no longer fit the population in general. All are regularly being used misleadingly and in different ways to change the traditional connotations.
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This is what we have become. I say you are a tax cheat, so it must be so. I say you are not an American citizen so it must be so. Mean while congress isnt doing shit and we are fighting over bullshit.

Vote for neither. Vote for independents. Find candidates that are not bought and paid for.
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This is what we have become. I say you are a tax cheat, so it must be so. I say you are not an American citizen so it must be so. Mean while congress isnt doing shit and we are fighting over bullshit.

Vote for neither. Vote for independents. Find candidates that are not bought and paid for.
If one I agreed with ran I be happy to vote for them. Tea Party is still pretty much on the state level.
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Buddy Roemer was never given a chance to even debate. Gary Johnson was allowed to attend one debate. They were not crazy enough to be selected for the Republican Party sideshow that went on this year.

It seems Gary Johnson is now on the Libertarian Party ticket, and if he could poll above 15% he can attend the debates. He will move the discussion away from the BS talking points, and I for one would love to see that.
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It seems Gary Johnson is now on the Libertarian Party ticket, and if he could poll above 15% he can attend the debates. He will move the discussion away from the BS talking points, and I for one would love to see that.
This. So much this. Regardless of where Gary Johnson stands, or how he would split votes, we need campaigns with more than two candidates. Mudlslinging seems to work when it's just one candidate and an opponent. I think candidates would be less likely to do that, and talking real issues instead, when there's a third candidate that would only be helped by their opponents sniping each other.
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First this:
The Obama event registry — Blog — Barack Obama


Then this:
President Obama Donates - YouTube


Now this:
Obama birthday card | TheBlaze.com


At what point does it become just good old fashion pandering?
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