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Old 08-27-2012, 10:39 PM   #631
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Romney was making a joke about the birth certificate thing, which he has said is crap (as have all credible conservatives). I thought it was pretty funny and didn't see it as racist at all.
I don't think it was racist at all either. Didn't agree with Matthews on that.

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Here we go with the racist crap again, there isn't a "good deal of people" in the GOP that support racism, overt or covert. I haven't watched your video, but I'm sure it's some uneducated clown babbling some racist nonsense. There are many folks who voted for Obama because of his race, are those folks racist?
Come on Sammy. Be real. The South is predominately red and we all know that racism is very much alive in the south. I grew up in the south, I've lived it, experienced and still do. That's not to say it only happens there because that's a load of shit. Not sure I said these people would support racism overtly or covertly. Take the people of my former church, I guarantee you they wouldn't vote for any legislation denying blacks right to vote, but they sure as hell asked me to quit the basketball team because I dated a black girl? Did they support racism overtly or covertly? No. Were they racist? You damn right they were.

Again, that's not to say the whole GOP base is racist, nor was that my implication, but there are quite a few in that base that are. To deny it is denial at its best. Actually, the video didn't display a guy babbling racist nonsense, but he was linking blacks with welfare recipients or saying they should get jobs. (even though he doesn't pay taxes himself)


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I would say someone making a comment linking me to the klan is one of three things; an idiot, knows nothing of history, or hasn't read my posts in this thread (particularly the one where I mention being Catholic). I'll connect the dots.....anyone who knows history, knows Catholics were also targets of the klan....not a part of it.
I haven't linked you to the Klan.
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Old 08-28-2012, 06:46 AM   #632
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How did Obama's father influence his political views when Obama met him once when was eleven years old and never lived in Kenya?
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Come on Sammy. Be real. The South is predominately red and we all know that racism is very much alive in the south. I grew up in the south, I've lived it, experienced and still do. That's not to say it only happens there because that's a load of shit. Not sure I said these people would support racism overtly or covertly. Take the people of my former church, I guarantee you they wouldn't vote for any legislation denying blacks right to vote, but they sure as hell asked me to quit the basketball team because I dated a black girl? Did they support racism overtly or covertly? No. Were they racist? You damn right they were.

Again, that's not to say the whole GOP base is racist, nor was that my implication, but there are quite a few in that base that are. To deny it is denial at its best. Actually, the video didn't display a guy babbling racist nonsense, but he was linking blacks with welfare recipients or saying they should get jobs. (even though he doesn't pay taxes himself)
I've never lived in the deep south, VB is the furthest down I've lived. However I grew up just outside DC and was in the military. I've seen racism from both sides, I guess I'm a bit more optimistic that we've made greater strides.

Hearing some of your background stories puts things into perspective. It's disheartening that folks who are supposed to be part of one family under God would act how they did.

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I know you didn't. That was a shot at Giantone, who did in an earlier post. I should've put that in a separate post but was pretty pissed about it last night and didn't think through where to post that part. Sorry about that.
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Has anyone heard Obama's plan for the economy? Me neither
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Old 08-28-2012, 08:23 AM   #635
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I want to hear what Slingin has to say about Mitt Romney's father hanging with the radical Saul Alinsky. A man he said we ought to listen to.
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"Ironically, Mitt Romney's father George, the one-time governor of Michigan, met with Alinsky in 1967 to ask his advice about addressing the racial turmoil following that summer's Detroit riots. "I think you ought to listen to Alinsky," the liberal Republican advised his political allies (see T. George Harris' Romney's Way, 1968). "It seems to me that we are always talking to the same people. Maybe the time has come to hear new voices." When this anecdote surfaced earlier this year on the right-wing blogosphere, conspiracy-minded extremists used it as evidence that Mitt Romney had also, like Obama, been infected by Alinsky's influence."

George Romney, who supported the Civil Rights movement, consulting with Alinsky, who was deeply involved in fueling civil unrest, to find a peaceful solution to race riots in Detroit in the late '60s far from makes Mitt Romney a far-left radical or Alinsky supporter. Nor does it change Alinsky's far-left ideology.
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Alinsky was a genius
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"Ironically, Mitt Romney's father George, the one-time governor of Michigan, met with Alinsky in 1967 to ask his advice about addressing the racial turmoil following that summer's Detroit riots. "I think you ought to listen to Alinsky," the liberal Republican advised his political allies (see T. George Harris' Romney's Way, 1968). "It seems to me that we are always talking to the same people. Maybe the time has come to hear new voices." When this anecdote surfaced earlier this year on the right-wing blogosphere, conspiracy-minded extremists used it as evidence that Mitt Romney had also, like Obama, been infected by Alinsky's influence."

George Romney, who supported the Civil Rights movement, consulting with Alinsky, who was deeply involved in fueling civil unrest, to find a peaceful solution to race riots in Detroit in the late '60s far from makes Mitt Romney a far-left radical or Alinsky supporter. Nor does it change Alinsky's far-left ideology.
So it sounds like, correct me if I'm wrong, George Romney who met and embraced Saul Alinsky and his Mitt Romney weren't "infected by Alinksy", but Obama who never met the man, was a child when he died, was influenced by this so called radical ideology? Mmm..okay

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Classic guilt by association. President Obama never mentioned Alinksy in either of his memoirs, but te SlinginSammy has concluded, along with some on the right, that this man Alinsky is a boogeyman. I would think if this guy was such an influence he'd at least give him a quick shout out in one of his books.

As with all conspiracy theories, the Alinsky-Obama link rests on a kernel of truth. For three years in the mid-1980s, Obama worked for the Developing Communities Project, a group on Chicago’s South Side whose tactics — meeting with displaced steelworkers and marginalized public housing residents — were inspired by Alinsky. So radical.
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I think what SS3 and the folks he pals around with are saying is that talking to Alinksy can infect your thinking process. It is best to say away from people with a strong jedi force because they can trick you and manipulate you.


...also it can be mathematically proven that the associations of Romney are not reflexive while that of Obama are.
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There are no job killing regulations. I was wrong and I appologize. I will withdrawal my support for Romney.

Sorry it's just that no one ever says anything like that in these threads. In all seriousness you will see in the near future how badly cap and trade fails in California. On top of that lets not forget about the Transport Rule that was recently struck down citing that the EPA had overextended itself. Keep in mind that the more and more specialized equipment and limits the EPA requires and imposes raises the cost of doing business. We are competing in a global market place.

We don't need to force every 2010 truck and newer to use $4 a gallon DEF fluid to burn slightly cleaner fumes. If global warming is nearly the problem the EPA says it is then that will barely make a dent with these nickle and dime policies. Or forcing trucks to add "freon recovery units" that stop freon from going into the atmosphere at a cost of $3,000 per truck.

Or lets not forget the EPA forcing trucks to use more and more refined diesel with lower sulfer content in an economy that already has gas prices that are to high.

These are the things I deal with on a daily basis whose cost gets passed on to you the final consumer in virtually all the tangible goods you purchase. And to clarify I am not a truck driver nor am I a dispatcher.
You haven't put too much thought into what you wrote. Like why it's good to regulate freon (CFC-12), the fact that in economics the labor market is a non-zero-sum game, the idea that a sitting president is interested in destroying the economy, the notion that nickel and diming doesn't ad up.


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He also has not passed a budget in three years. The man does not know how to lead he only bitches and moans about what the right is or is not doing. That's true leadership skills.
Wrong answer. Presidents submit budgets, Congress passes budgets. Obama has submitted a budget every year, Congress passed the first one in April/2009.
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Has anyone heard Obama's plan for the economy? Me neither
He's only been calling on Congress to pass the American Jobs Act for over a year now. And he actually did speak at length about this during is State of The Union address.

Obama calls on Congress to quickly pass his 'American Jobs Act' - CNN
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Wrong answer. Presidents submit budgets, Congress passes budgets. Obama has submitted a budget every year, Congress passed the first one in April/2009.

I thought the president's job was to created a budget, propose it to congress, pass it through the house, pass it through the senate, mediate the house and senate conference, and finally sign it.


...still, the US is still running without a budget...pretty amazing huh?
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Classic guilt by association. President Obama never mentioned Alinksy in either of his memoirs, but te SlinginSammy has concluded, along with some on the right, that this man Alinsky is a boogeyman. I would think if this guy was such an influence he'd at least give him a quick shout out in one of his books.
or maybe write a chapter for the book “After Alinsky: Community Organizing in Illinois,”

Amazon.com: After Alinsky: Community Organizing... Amazon.com: After Alinsky: Community Organizing...
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As with all conspiracy theories, the Alinsky-Obama link rests on a kernel of truth. For three years in the mid-1980s, Obama worked for the Developing Communities Project, a group on Chicago’s South Side whose tactics — meeting with displaced steelworkers and marginalized public housing residents — were inspired by Alinsky. So radical.
- Obama first learned Alinsky’s rules in the 1980s, when Alinskyite radicals with the Chicago-based Alinsky group Gamaliel Foundation recruited, hired, trained and paid him as a community organizer in South Side Chicago. (Gamaliel’s website expressly states it grew out of the Alinsky movement.)
• Gamaliel board member John McKnight, a hard-core student of Alinsky, penned a letter for Obama to help him get into Harvard Law School.
• Obama took a break from his Harvard studies to travel to Los Angeles for eight days of intense training at Alinsky’s Industrial Areas Foundation.
• Obama also taught Alinsky’s “Power Analysis” methods at the University of Chicago.
• “Obama learned his lesson well,” said David Alinsky, son of the late socialist.
Son sees father's handiwork in convention - The Boston Globe

A one time meeting between George Romney and Alinsky certainly doesn't grant George or Mitt Obama's stunning ALinsky credentials.
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Your talking about the American Jobs Act thats suppose to do the same thing as the last stimulas of 800 billion that didn't work. Why keep throwing money down the same empty pit only for Obama to use it to buy more votes.
C'mon FD, UAW, Solyndra, Abound, Tesla, Fisker just need a little more gov't cash to create jobs and turn it around. You'll see, Obama and the gov't did build that!
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