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Old 09-24-2012, 06:03 PM   #901
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So, this guy doesn't understand why you can't roll down windows on a airplane?

Romney Doesn't Understand Why You Can't Roll Down Windows On A Plane | ThinkProgress

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ďWhen you have a fire in an aircraft, thereís no place to go, exactly, thereís no ó and you canít find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft, because the windows donít open. I donít know why they donít do that. Itís a real problem. So itís very dangerous.

How in the hell did this numbnut become a Presidential candidate. Who's running this guy's campaign?

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Old 09-24-2012, 09:08 PM   #902
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Google Hyde Amendment when you get a moment. Prohibits federal dollars from funding abortion procedures.
I'm sure they have a seperate account with federal dollars to pay some bills and then other money to pay for the abortions. LMAO Its the democrat abortion for all women fund no matter what your age or how many months preg you are.
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Google Hyde Amendment when you get a moment. Prohibits federal dollars from funding abortion procedures.
The Hyde Ammendment is a joke.


for Giantone: Planned Parenthood's facility income is approximately 37% from abortions.

How about this for a reasonable compromise; Planned Parenthood stops any non-morning-after pill abortions and keeps their funding.
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Btw, Romney did say he'd defund Planned Parenthood.
Get rid of, defund, same thing.

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Where are you getting your facts from MSNBC? Your points are just wrong about MR.

While he does support increasing defense spending its spread over 10 yrs and it does creat jobs.
To me thats not much different then Obama hiring more regulators. That creates jobs too. Either way tax payers are still paying for it. DOD jobs are slightly more tolerable then regulatory jobs, problem is with DOD it's almost impossible for the GOP to control their spending.

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Pland Parenthood only provides birth control for around 3 million women at tops and is the leader for abortions.
I don't know if thats true but if it is 3 million women with birth control is a lot.

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Mitt has said over and over he has no plans to change any thing as far as abortion laws. He has said it should be a stste issue not a federal issue.
He wants it to be a state issue because he knows a handful of states will outlaw it, particularly those in the Bible Belt. The Supreme Court won't overturn Roe vs Wade but they (GOP) do everything they can to make abortion more difficult like making women view the fetus via ultrasound before the procedure.

Stuff like non life saving late term abortions where the fetus has been proven to feel pain makes sense but early term/life at conception is clearly a religious belief that shouldn't be forced on everyone.

Roe vs Wade ironically enough is in accordance with the principals of freedom and liberty as everyone is allowed to choose their own path.

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What rape laws deos he support. LOL
I wasn't specific enough on this. When I made this comment I was referring to the Franken Amendment where almost every Republican Senator voted against having rapist for defense contractors working overseas tried in a court of law instead of being mediated by the company. Obviously Romney nor Ryan was involved in this vote. This slight is aimed more at the GOP as a whole.

However Paul Ryan and his forcible rape amendment with Senator Akin doesn't help anything. I don't know why he backtracked with the "stock language" and "rape is rape" explanation but the fact that he was in that position to begin with is questionable. Again not a deal breaker and not saying Ryan is pro-rape, in fact it's great that he clarified, but shouldn't even be in a position to have to explain himself in the first place.

On this I'm not sure but Romney does seem better then most Republicans on the issue of protecting rape victims which isn't saying much given GOP standards.

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He actual wants to increase education funding.
More details please. I might have misspoke on this one and am more then willing to admit that I was wrong.
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The Hyde Ammendment is a joke.


for Giantone: Planned Parenthood's facility income is approximately 37% from abortions.

How about this for a reasonable compromise; Planned Parenthood stops any non-morning-after pill abortions and keeps their funding.
Sorry Sammy I'll go with the washington post over ....well who ever that is.Sammy you are male and so am I, why should you and I decide what a woman can do with her body?

Sammy your'e wrong,again.
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For sammy...........,read the link.

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Q: How much of Planned Parenthoodís services are dedicated to abortions? Does the federal government fund those procedures?
A: Abortions represent 3 percent of total services provided by Planned Parenthood, and roughly 10 percent of its clients received an abortion. The group does receive federal funding, but the money cannot be used for abortions by law.


3% not 37%,again scare tatics.
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The Hyde Ammendment is a joke.

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for Giantone: Planned Parenthood's facility income is approximately 37% from abortions.

How about this for a reasonable compromise; Planned Parenthood stops any non-morning-after pill abortions and keeps their funding.

Ah the old "fungibility argument". If we applied that argument to all gov't funding and took it to it's logical conclusion, we'd all be up the creek. Nothing would be funded, nothing would get built, no gov't programs would exist for the good of our society.
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For sammy...........,read the link.

FactCheck.org : Planned Parenthood


Q: How much of Planned Parenthoodís services are dedicated to abortions? Does the federal government fund those procedures?
A: Abortions represent 3 percent of total services provided by Planned Parenthood, and roughly 10 percent of its clients received an abortion. The group does receive federal funding, but the money cannot be used for abortions by law.


3% not 37%,again scare tatics.
That's 37% of all abortions performed in the USA. I'd also like to know how 10% of their clients have abortions but its only 3% of their business. I'm actually not against abortion I'm against tax payer funding. Seems the left wants freedom to do as they please without judgement but they then think its the tax payers problem to pay for their f&^k ups.
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I'd also like to know how 10% of their clients have abortions but its only 3% of their business.
Checkout the chart on post #900
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That does not answer my question. If 10% of their customers have abortions then wouldn't that make it 10% of what they do?

Oh wait I can answer the question. They also come in for birth control and std's before coming back for an abortion. LMAO
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Ah the old "fungibility argument". If we applied that argument to all gov't funding and took it to it's logical conclusion, we'd all be up the creek. Nothing would be funded, nothing would get built, no gov't programs would exist for the good of our society.
There's a lot of illogic to this whole debate to me. Among many quandaries: How do you choose between an late term abortion where it really is a baby just still in the womb (whenever you think that is). Or telling a woman she must give birth to a child she doesn't want to. Both are immoral IMO.

And when does a fetus turn into a baby? I'd say based on pure logic (which may not apply here), have a study determine at what brain activity is considered "sentient" for a fetus/baby. But it seems to me both sides are scared about what that answer might be, so they argue the extremes: "conception" vs. "partial-birth-abortion".

Planned parenthood is full of, for lack of a better word, confusion to me.

1. Talking about government funding in your post above. It's good that we apply the "all or nothing" approach to organizations and educational entities. They must follow federal law on civil rights, mandates on quality of care or education, or they lose all funding. So why does Planned Parenthood get a pass on the "all or nothing" requirement when it comes to funding abortion?

2. It seems like the name Planned Parenthood is just a PR move. It's not really wrong, people frame debates all the time by calling someone pro-abortion or anti-choice. It just strikes me as disingenuous that they name themselves after a situation they aren't needed in: a planned parenthood. Contraception, abortion, STDs apply in any case parenthood or not, isn't what their name implies. Fertility clinics, conception aids, and birth centers are what an organization named "planned parenthood" would be about, IMO.

3. The statistics being tossed about. I really have no idea what's the truth. On Planned Parenthood's website, they say "One in three women has an abortion at some point in her life. Do you know anyone who has had an abortion?" Yeah, but 1-3 seems high to me. Does the "1 in 3 women get abortions" ratio sound high for where you live, or about right, or an underestimate?



edit: And what is going on here? Is abortion mandated "all or nothing" here?

The Department of Health and Human Services announced on Thursday that a Texas law excluding Planned Parenthood from the state's Medicaid Women's Health Program violated federal rules, meaning the program would no longer receive any federal funding.

The Texas law, which went into effect this week, prevents patients using the Women's Health Program from going to any clinic that has an affiliation with an abortion provider, including a shared name, employee, or board member.

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That does not answer my question. If 10% of their customers have abortions then wouldn't that make it 10% of what they do?

Oh wait I can answer the question. They also come in for birth control and std's before coming back for an abortion. LMAO
Does that not make sense, really? Especially with an individual woman getting more care than actual abortions? I still question everybody's figures, given how charged this whole debate is.
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Sorry Sammy I'll go with the washington post over ....well who ever that is.Sammy you are male and so am I, why should you and I decide what a woman can do with her body?

Sammy your'e wrong,again.
Please read my statement it is 100% factually correct. I also did not dispute your 3% number. My numbers and yours just frame the argument differently.

"for Giantone: Planned Parenthood's facility income is approximately 37% from abortions."

We are both male, however that's not the point. Why should federal tax dollars fund abortion? If a woman wants an abortion it's her choice...I vehemently disagree with it....but it is legally (currently) her choice. However, what about the unborn girls & boys...do they get a say in this. When does the baby become a baby and not just a mass of cells....2 months, 4 months, 6 months, whenever that happens it's no longer just the mother's choice.
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Old 09-26-2012, 04:34 AM   #915
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Please read my statement it is 100% factually correct. I also did not dispute your 3% number. My numbers and yours just frame the argument differently.

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No Sammy it's not ,maybe in your world but not in the real word.As I documented Planned parenthood does way, way more then abortions but you don't acknowledge that.
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