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Old 10-05-2012, 11:01 AM   #916
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I never thought I would say this.....but I actually feel a bit bad for Obama and the way the media wings of the DNC (msnbc, etc.) are ready to throw him under the bus. You could see it everywhere last night and this AM. They're setting up to dump an election loss squarely on him and trash the guy because he can't defend the last 3 1/2 years (I say policies, others will say bad situation, folks in the middle would say both),his far left ideology (yes I know that's a debatable point), and he can't live up to the diety-like aspirations the clowns (yes, Chris Matthews I mean you) in the left wing media put on him.

These two-faced, opportunistic, back-stabbers have carried the water and covered for Obama since 2007. Now they're ready to throw him to the wolves and cover their own hind-quarters....and this is before any real polls have come out suggesting a drastic shift in nationwide polls. Shameful. But, Obama has taken advantage of these useful idiots all this time also. Moral of the story, be careful who you make your bed with.
They are going wild but lets be honest here, they are going after him because he wasnt aggressive enough. This is somethingthat can easily mitigated. Team Obama is a pretty smart bunch and these barking dogs will change thier and sing his praises like bird of paradise.

This is a rope-a-dope, and Romney is the dope.
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Old 10-05-2012, 11:50 AM   #917
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JOBS: NFP added 114K jobs; 86K jobs revised upward previous 2 months; Labor force participation ticked up a tenth, suggesting rate didn't drop due to less people looking for work.

Unemployment rate at 7.8%, lower than when Obama took office. More work to do.
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Old 10-05-2012, 01:04 PM   #918
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JOBS: NFP added 114K jobs; 86K jobs revised upward previous 2 months; Labor force participation ticked up a tenth, suggesting rate didn't drop due to less people looking for work.

Unemployment rate at 7.8%, lower than when Obama took office. More work to do.
LOTS more work to do. From BLS:

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

Over the past 12 months, average hourly earnings have risen by 1.8 percent. That's less than the annual inflation rate.

The number of
long-term unemployed (those jobless for 27 weeks or more) was little changed

at 4.8 million and accounted for 40.1 percent of the unemployed.

The overall trend in the employment-population ratio for this year has been flat.
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Old 10-05-2012, 01:37 PM   #919
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Also add that most of those jobs added are part time low paying jobs.
Most? You got a link for that?
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Old 10-05-2012, 01:41 PM   #920
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LOTS more work to do. From BLS:

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

Over the past 12 months, average hourly earnings have risen by 1.8 percent. That's less than the annual inflation rate.

The number of
long-term unemployed (those jobless for 27 weeks or more) was little changed

at 4.8 million and accounted for 40.1 percent of the unemployed.

The overall trend in the employment-population ratio for this year has been flat.
Yeah, wages have been consistently stagnant (flat) for many years now and declined during the recession.
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Old 10-05-2012, 02:29 PM   #921
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JOBS: NFP added 114K jobs; 86K jobs revised upward previous 2 months; Labor force participation ticked up a tenth, suggesting rate didn't drop due to less people looking for work.

Unemployment rate at 7.8%, lower than when Obama took office. More work to do.

Definitely very good news for Obama, but maybe not so much those looking for work.

Any reasonable economist has to question the disparity between the 2 numbers. And right now i think everyone is kind of scratching their heads trying to explain it.

I initially heard the report on the radio this morning and the economist they had on was really surprised by the difference and couldnt explain it. He did mentioned that the household survey is much more volatile than the establishment survey. Im sure its way off but that the real number is still well over 200k new jobs. I believe its susposed to be revised 2 days before the election.



BLS claims almost 1 million Americans found new jobs | WashingtonExaminer.com
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Old 10-05-2012, 02:39 PM   #922
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The problem with these theories is the ADP actually has job growth higher (162K) and Gallup has unemployment even lower than BLS for several weeks. These coming from private entities.

My attitude is choose one. All three can't be wrong.
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i guess with its good news with unemployment under 8% we cant look at it objective? So part time jobs JUST started getting included in employment numbers? I guess we should root for a continuation of unemployment/people struggling for Mitt's sake?
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i guess with its good news with unemployment under 8% we cant look at it objective? So part time jobs JUST started getting included in employment numbers? I guess we should root for a continuation of unemployment/people struggling for Mitt's sake?

Thats all im trying to do. And i dont think firstdown or anyone here is routing for a continuation of bad numbers.

I dont think there has ever been this type of disparity before. Its not just a big difference, its a huge difference. Looking at it objectively is trying to figure out why.
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Thats all im trying to do. And i dont think firstdown or anyone here is routing for a continuation of bad numbers.

I dont think there has ever been this type of disparity before. Its not just a big difference, its a huge difference. Looking at it objectively is trying to figure out why.
Let me help you then, lower unemployment numbers are good. Its always a positive, never a negative.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/05/op...WT.mc_ev=click


There really should be buzzers or fact checkers in debates to BUZZ when candidates are lying.
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There really should be buzzers or fact checkers in debates to BUZZ when candidates are lying.
Electric shock collars around the candidates necks, jolts administered to be decided by CBO, factcheck.org, whatever organizations can be determined to be fair if any.

And have a 2 minute "shot clock" visible in front of them (so the debaters can see it, and and behind them so all the observers can see it.) When time's up, the debater's mike is cut off and camera cut away, so the moderator can tell the other debater his time is about to start. No exceptions. If the debater tries to continue talking, he gets shocked.

And have more than the Big Two party candidates in these debates. Libertarian, Green, Communist, Constitution, any other decent size parties, at least pick a couple to make it at least a four way debate. It might make things more honest.

I know this is all fanciful, but can we at least have the electric shock collars?

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I know you live in the People's Republic of MD and don't get out much....but I would refer you to these polls that show on abortion and gay marriage a majority do not support those positions: :cool-smil
SS ,you're way to smart to fall for that poll crap, you and I both know it's bias,where were the calls made to ,....bet a bunch were to the "Bible belt"now call SanFran and see how many are against same sex marriage.
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LOL! How that guy is still ahead in the polls is a mystery to me.
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LOL! How that guy is still ahead in the polls is a mystery to me.
Because the guy he's running against is even worse. Sad but true.
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