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Old 10-11-2012, 09:35 PM   #961
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Only been watching for 5 mins. but Biden is a smarmy ass.
I'm pretty sure all politicians are slimey.
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:43 PM   #962
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Yup ... and we both know which way we each lean. Even so, Biden is just coming across as an ass to me. Ryan has his own faults.
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Old 10-11-2012, 11:09 PM   #963
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Well, the debate was certainly closer this time. Being a fan of Ryan, I was put off by Biden's filibustering, and kinda mad when Biden was even interrupting and yelling at the moderator. I imagine people supporting Biden/Obama liked what Biden was doing theatrically. I still wish they'd mute each debater when his time is up.

I thought Ryan won on what substance he was able to get in. What a lot of the stimulus went for, the difference between a cut and a spending decrease, what's projected for Obamacare (or Romneycare for that matter), everybody knows you overcome the debt balance with growth... I thought Biden might have won people over on style, but that depends on what others think.

Obama spoke more minutes than Romney did, in their first debate. This debate was even more lopsided, lol.
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Yup ... and we both know which way we each lean. Even so, Biden is just coming across as an ass to me. Ryan has his own faults.
If you are too tempered you are weak and an ineffective debator and if you are too fiery you are an ass. I am of the opinion that politicians should speak freely without getting personal. That means call out the BS, the retardedness, and the flip flopping.

Ryan is full of shit and I mean that nicely.
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It is quite easy to be a fierce, fiery debater without being an ass.

There was ample shit shoveled by both sides tonight.
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If you are too tempered you are weak and an ineffective debator and if you are too fiery you are an ass. I am of the opinion that politicians should speak freely without getting personal. That means call out the BS, the retardedness, and the flip flopping.

Ryan is full of shit and I mean that nicely.
Just posted this a bit earlier on fb. Dems are weak and pushovers but when they grow a pair and don't BS they are rude?

Huge hypocrisy.

I love it. Democrats need to take it to the opponent with a freaking sledgehammer. I'm sick of being pushed around by the far right. Durbin had it spot on: the only reason repubs are talking about bidens smiling or interrupting is because Ryan was destroyed in all other areas.
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Biden by a mile,Ryan had a few good shots but all in all Biden made him look like a newbe!
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Biden's demeanor and interruptions were embarrassing. I didn't watch the first debate, and have for the most part given up on the political system, but for me, just off that debate, I may end up voting for Romney(not that it would matter much in Md).
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Just posted this a bit earlier on fb. Dems are weak and pushovers but when they grow a pair and don't BS they are rude?

Huge hypocrisy.

I love it. Democrats need to take it to the opponent with a freaking sledgehammer. I'm sick of being pushed around by the far right. Durbin had it spot on: the only reason repubs are talking about bidens smiling or interrupting is because Ryan was destroyed in all other areas.
No. It is b/c he was being an ass. A complete and total ass. If the demeanors had been switched, all we would be hearing about is Ryan's unprofessionalism, blah blah blah. Sorry, you can deny it or revel in it but the bottom line is as to demeanor Biden was everything bad in a politician. My wife, a died in the wool Democrat who wouldn't vote Republican if her life depended on it, said one point "Wow. He just doesn't know how to be an adult does he?".

Biden was unprofessional and uncivil and did nothing to persuade fence sitters "Hey, let's vote for this guy!".

Ryan was evasive. He was professional and strong on presentation. BUT - I counted at least three separate direct questions, he simply failed to answer. lt's the kind of thing that makes me yell at the screen "It's a simple question - JUST ANSWER IT!"

I thought they both blew - big time - the final question concerning negativity in campaigns and the soldier "desparing for America". I turned to my wife and said, "Well, that's a softball", because I was expecting to hear two puff pieces on why America is great and admitting the negativity but hoping we could get past it to build a better place for the future blah blah blah. Instead, they both take the opportunity to say what a horrible America it will be if the other guy gets elected. Sad. Just sad.

All in all. Content wise it was what we expected and nothing new. Those of you claiming Ryan looked like a newb, I respectfully disagree. He looked like a polished politician - with all the good and ill that implies. Biden on the other hand, to me, looked like an unpolished politician - with all the good and ill that implies.
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biden by a mile,ryan had a few good shots but all in all biden made him look like a newbe!
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Old 10-12-2012, 08:59 AM   #971
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I will also say this (and yes I know it was not a court room setting) -- if an attorney behaved in the manner Biden did while presenting a case at trial - rolling his eyes, smirking, laughing when not speaking and interrupting opposing counsel & the judge, he would have been found in contempt so fast it wouldn't be funny.

If you can't advocate your position without being an ass, then either you are truly an ass or your position is just not that strong.
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No. It is b/c he was being an ass. A complete and total ass. If the demeanors had been switched, all we would be hearing about is Ryan's unprofessionalism, blah blah blah. Sorry, you can deny it or revel in it but the bottom line is as to demeanor Biden was everything bad in a politician. My wife, a died in the wool Democrat who wouldn't vote Republican if her life depended on it, said one point "Wow. He just doesn't know how to be an adult does he?".

Biden was unprofessional and uncivil and did nothing to persuade fence sitters "Hey, let's vote for this guy!".

Ryan was evasive. He was professional and strong on presentation. BUT - I counted at least three separate direct questions, he simply failed to answer. lt's the kind of thing that makes me yell at the screen "It's a simple question - JUST ANSWER IT!"

I thought they both blew - big time - the final question concerning negativity in campaigns and the soldier "desparing for America". I turned to my wife and said, "Well, that's a softball", because I was expecting to hear two puff pieces on why America is great and admitting the negativity but hoping we could get past it to build a better place for the future blah blah blah. Instead, they both take the opportunity to say what a horrible America it will be if the other guy gets elected. Sad. Just sad.

All in all. Content wise it was what we expected and nothing new. Those of you claiming Ryan looked like a newb, I respectfully disagree. He looked like a polished politician - with all the good and ill that implies. Biden on the other hand, to me, looked like an unpolished politician - with all the good and ill that implies.
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Somewhat surprising to see the Dems win on foreign policy. However the fact of the matter is a lot of people agree with the Dems foreign policy. Far right Neocons are itching for another war but they know if they come out and say it their chances of getting elected will go down.

The peace through strength thing is just empty rhetoric as far as I can tell.

In truth the terrorist are trying to provoke us. They want us to put boots on the ground. For starters it brings Americans straight to them which they love because then they don't have to travel to kill the "infidels." It also makes it easier to indoctrinate young children into extremist factions of Al-Queda as they can point and say 'look at the Americans that have come to rape our land.'

On top of that another war would hurt us economically and one of the things they've been going after is our prosperity. They love that our unemployment is so high and that our way of life is in danger. If they can get America to commit to another war then that hurts us more.

I still agree with the GOP on economic policy but this desire to increase defense and police the world is dangerous. And as we've learned over the past thousand or so years, trying to achieve peace in the Middle East is a fools errand.
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Old 10-12-2012, 10:30 AM   #974
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I guess no one has ever seen Biden debate? No one is familiar with his "style"? So people are surprised by this? Guess you dont pay close enough attention then

Biden won the debate, slight advantage over Ryan mainly do to his experience. No surprises last night.
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No. It is b/c he was being an ass. A complete and total ass. If the demeanors had been switched, all we would be hearing about is Ryan's unprofessionalism, blah blah blah. Sorry, you can deny it or revel in it but the bottom line is as to demeanor Biden was everything bad in a politician. My wife, a died in the wool Democrat who wouldn't vote Republican if her life depended on it, said one point "Wow. He just doesn't know how to be an adult does he?".

Biden was unprofessional and uncivil and did nothing to persuade fence sitters "Hey, let's vote for this guy!".

Ryan was evasive. He was professional and strong on presentation. BUT - I counted at least three separate direct questions, he simply failed to answer. lt's the kind of thing that makes me yell at the screen "It's a simple question - JUST ANSWER IT!"

I thought they both blew - big time - the final question concerning negativity in campaigns and the soldier "desparing for America". I turned to my wife and said, "Well, that's a softball", because I was expecting to hear two puff pieces on why America is great and admitting the negativity but hoping we could get past it to build a better place for the future blah blah blah. Instead, they both take the opportunity to say what a horrible America it will be if the other guy gets elected. Sad. Just sad.

All in all. Content wise it was what we expected and nothing new. Those of you claiming Ryan looked like a newb, I respectfully disagree. He looked like a polished politician - with all the good and ill that implies. Biden on the other hand, to me, looked like an unpolished politician - with all the good and ill that implies.
I think none of that matters in the current state of political affairs. I would cite many Tea Party speeches as examples. Biden came out and spoke with populist appeal.

The other side has "brought it" like this numerous times and the dems just run away with their tail between their legs. Cheers to Biden for recognizing what needed to be done with this debate. And cheers for being a bit upset with the Romney/Ryan ticket, which has flip flopped on numerous issues to see what sticks. Ryan looked startled and canned in his responses IMO.

Keep in mind, these "debates" are more about confidence and command than substance. I think Biden won in all those areas.
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