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Old 06-28-2012, 11:19 PM   #46
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You oversimplified my statement in which I oversimplified. I have never insinuated that because you don't agree with me, it means you are a idiot. I said,(or implied rather) that if you aren't going to vote for Obama based on the national healthcare program, but are planning on voting for Romney, who is the founder of such program, it's pretty idiotic.
In your mind Obamacare & Romneycare are the same, in evaluating the details they are different.

You can capitalize sentences and throw around your normal rhetoric, bottom line is a majority in this country don't want Obamacare, Romney is the alternative, and we'll see how this plays out in Nov.
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Old 06-28-2012, 11:35 PM   #47
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O’Reilly promised to ‘apologize for being an idiot’ if heath law was upheld | The Raw Story
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In your mind Obamacare & Romneycare are the same, in evaluating the details they are different.

You can capitalize sentences and throw around your normal rhetoric, bottom line is a majority in this country don't want Obamacare, Romney is the alternative, and we'll see how this plays out in Nov.

Sammy in base they are the same,like it or not.Yes there are some differences in language and such...but make no mistake they are based on the same thing.When I retire in 36 months I'll have to pay 1200 a month for health care for my wife and myself and does'nt include .....what I call healthy care "preventative" care ,my wife has had 2 bouts of skin cancer once others see that word either they won't accept her or will not pay for any treatment related to it.
In 1994 my dad sufferd a stroke and 4 days after he was released home(bed ridden and unable to talk or walk)Blue Cross of New York dropped him....my Mom lost our family home becuase of this,now yes she was mad and fought back and in 7 years won, now that was 2 years after dad had passed and the house was gone to pay bills,sorry for the tiraid but under this new bill that can't happen and that's good.

P.S....the majority in this country "DO" want Obamacare as you put it....they just don't want what the GOP is selling it as.
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Jon Stewart is great on this........



Jon Stewart mocks reactions to the health care ruling | The Raw Story
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Time Is on His Side: Conservatives Feel Betrayed by John Roberts - Yahoo! News

Of course its Rush who fires the first shot. Love it
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Time Is on His Side: Conservatives Feel Betrayed by John Roberts - Yahoo! News

Of course its Rush who fires the first shot. Love it
Limbaugh said that if the ACA goes into effect, he's moving to Costa Rica. Costa Rica has universal health care. The hypocrisy in his statement is rich.
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In your mind Obamacare & Romneycare are the same, in evaluating the details they are different.

You can capitalize sentences and throw around your normal rhetoric, bottom line is a majority in this country don't want Obamacare, Romney is the alternative, and we'll see how this plays out in Nov.
This isn't going to be the main issue in November. Its going to be the economy.

Also if "America" doesn't want this then why did its elected officials, which represent the people, pass it?

Sounds like a cop out argument/response to me.
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You guys are just playing a game semantics. The fact of the matter is republicans thought of and inspired the individual mandate and Romney was the first politician to bring us closer to universal healthcare. I think reasonable can agree that Romney is not the ideal vanguard of the anti-obamacare movement. A simple message wins the day and Romney's messages is not going to be simpler than Obama's on healthcare.

It is not the second quarter, there 1 sec left in the game and one last hail marry play remains. The filibuster is a deadly play. Healthcare is here to stay move the **** on.
Didn't Gingrich, when in the House, propose the individual mandate?
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As usual Stewart (and Colbert) cuts through the bullsh*t and hits the nail on the head:

“So you’re going to keep everything but the mandate, A.K.A the thing that pays for all of it?” Stewart wondered. “So the fiscally responsible Republican is saying, don’t worry, you’re going to get all the goodies, but not the bill. Cus that would be taxes, and that is tyranny.”


The hypocracy by the GOP is amazing on this issue. Whats more amazing is if you ask them "whats your health plan?", they have none.
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You check Romney's fundraising numbers today?

The gov't forcing people to buy health insurance or pay a penalty...tax...or whatever Obama calls it today fires people up. The gov't forcing religious based charities and hospitals to violate their deeply held beliefs or be fined out of existence fires people up.

This certainly ain't anywhere near close to over.
When religions start paying some taxes in this country they can have a say about that, until then -- offer contraceptives. They're not forcing anyone to USE them, just OFFER them to people interested.

It's very simple -- we're the only first world nation without some sort of universal healthcare solution. Our medical care is lagging behind a majority of the world. Socialized programs aren't perfect, but there's a reason why many of them dominate the best healthcare rankings in the world. Take a look at France sometime.

It comes down to this -- we're forcing insurance companies to insure everyone. That means they have to take a risk, to help counteract that risk, everyone HAS to have insurance. It's fair and good for our country. We need to start focusing our efforts on infrastructure, education, and the general welfare of our people.
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Sammy in base they are the same,like it or not.Yes there are some differences in language and such...but make no mistake they are based on the same thing.When I retire in 36 months I'll have to pay 1200 a month for health care for my wife and myself and does'nt include .....what I call healthy care "preventative" care ,my wife has had 2 bouts of skin cancer once others see that word either they won't accept her or will not pay for any treatment related to it.
In 1994 my dad sufferd a stroke and 4 days after he was released home(bed ridden and unable to talk or walk)Blue Cross of New York dropped him....my Mom lost our family home becuase of this,now yes she was mad and fought back and in 7 years won, now that was 2 years after dad had passed and the house was gone to pay bills,sorry for the tiraid but under this new bill that can't happen and that's good.

P.S....the majority in this country "DO" want Obamacare as you put it....they just don't want what the GOP is selling it as.
I'm very sorry to hear about your family's issues with the health care system. I'm no fan of status quo either, I have a firsthand experience very similar to what you experienced with your father, coincidentally in the eary '90s as well.

The system needs changes, but Obamacare is not the way. Also, if you checked the links I originally posted it's pretty clear the majority do not want Obamacare as it stands today.
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When religions start paying some taxes in this country they can have a say about that, until then -- offer contraceptives. They're not forcing anyone to USE them, just OFFER them to people interested.
So to have universal healthcare/Obamacare, you're willing to throw out the protection of Freedom of Religion in the 1st Ammendment. So unless religious institutions pay a "fine", "tax", or whatever you want to call it, they are forced to violate deeply held core religious beliefs?

You understand the HHS mandate also requires for sterilization and the abortion drugs, correct. This isn't about contraception, it's about people being FORCED to violate their religious beliefs.

You may not care about this, but you're barking WAAAAYYYY up the wrong tree on this one.
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So unless religious institutions pay a "fine", "tax", or whatever you want to call it, they are forced to violate deeply held core religious beliefs?

You understand the HHS mandate also requires for sterilization and the abortion drugs, correct. This isn't about contraception, it's about people being FORCED to violate their religious beliefs.

You may not care about this, but you're barking WAAAAYYYY up the wrong tree on this one.


...but Christians don't mind when they force other people onto THEIR beliefs. (abortion/gay marriage)


Funny how that works.


IT"S OK IF I VIOLATE YOUR RIGHTS DUE TO MY RELIGION BUT YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO DO THE SAME!!! (condescending tone intended)

Christians have and will continue to be some of the biggest hypocrites I have ever encountered. (this is purely a statement on MY experiences)
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The system needs changes, but Obamacare is not the way. Also, if you checked the links I originally posted it's pretty clear the majority do not want Obamacare as it stands today.

It's not pretty clear. What is clear is that many people that do oppose it think it doesn't go far enough. Look, I have polls too!

CBS Poll: For Many, Health Care Reform Does Not Go Far Enough | FDL Action

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The most interesting questions in the poll were about whether people think reform went far enough or went too far: When asked about trying to “provide health insurance to as many Americans as possible,” 32% said that the plan goes too far, 35% said it doesn’t go far enough, and 22% said it is about right.


If you claim the system needs changing, but Obamacare is not the way, then why in the hell hasn't the GOP or any other talking head conservative come up with a plan? Oh I know why, because they don't want one. That's why.
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You check Romney's fundraising numbers today?

The gov't forcing people to buy health insurance or pay a penalty...tax...or whatever Obama calls it today fires people up. The gov't forcing religious based charities and hospitals to violate their deeply held beliefs or be fined out of existence fires people up.

This certainly ain't anywhere near close to over.
We've been going around and around on this for a few years now.

So, the thing that Mitt Romney did in Massachusetts is now constitutional for the nation, making his entire argument one of philosophy. I don't see how the animates the race long-term. Can't wait to hear Romney explain that and keep the base fired up.

Yesterday was a clear win for Americans, Obama and, yes, liberals. We won. It's as simple as that. No spin. See you in November.
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