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Old 06-29-2012, 10:11 AM   #61
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The right has presented several plans.
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Old 06-29-2012, 10:17 AM   #62
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Well I guess you can also explain why the Mass. healthcare cost are increasing faster then the national average.
In case you missed it one more time. Far and away better than most states it seems, but you GOPers like to try and use numbers to skew things.



Nice try. (not really)
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Old 06-29-2012, 10:20 AM   #63
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...but Christians don't mind when they force other people onto THEIR beliefs. (abortion/gay marriage)

Funny how that works.

IT"S OK IF I VIOLATE YOUR RIGHTS DUE TO MY RELIGION BUT YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO DO THE SAME!!! (condescending tone intended)
Last I checked there was no right to abortion or gay marriage in the Constitution or Bill of Rights. Also, while most Christians are opposed to gay marriage, I haven't seen any calls from organized religion for fines on any gay rights organizations.

As far as abortion goes most Christians view abortion as taking a human life....I guess unborn children have no right to LIFE, Liberty, or the Pursuit of Happiness. Wanting to stop or limit the killing of innocent life and lobbying the government to restrict these procedures is vastly different from a government forcing religious organizations to provide contraception, sterilization and abortion drugs or being fined out of existence.

I know your views will never change, because in your mind you're always right/ But for others who have interest here's where the Catholic Church stands on the issue.
http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-acti...ve-Mandate.pdf

Good luck to Obama and the left, pissing off 60M+ Americans who are normally split close down the middle D/R.
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Old 06-29-2012, 10:26 AM   #64
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Good luck to Obama and the left, pissing off 60M+ Americans who are normally split close down the middle D/R.

For the record, I'm against Obama.


I posted a link in the Presidential thread that can give you many reasons to hate his Presidency, which I have. His health care is actually one of the positives. It's not perfect, but it's better than what any other president or congressman has done.
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Links? Cliff notes?
well one passed lil Bush where he litterally let lobbies write up the perscription bill plane, which has exceeded cost, think that was 2003.

Nothing else substantial or serious other than cutting medicare and medicade, which cutting is not a plan.

Avg industrial nation spends bout 11-12% on health care (a staggering amount imo). We have had no plan approach and our costs are approaching 18%. That cost will only rise but our country has a massive and I mean MASSIVE all caps massive (the most serious) baby boomer generation retiring, those costs will only increase.
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well one passed lil Bush where he litterally let lobbies write up the perscription bill plane, which has exceeded cost, think that was 2003.

Nothing else substantial or serious other than cutting medicare and medicade, which cutting is not a plan.

Avg industrial nation spends bout 11-12% on health care (a staggering amount imo). We have had no plan approach and our costs are approaching 18%. That cost will only rise but our country has a massive and I mean MASSIVE all caps massive (the most serious) baby boomer generation retiring, those costs will only increase.
These are no where near actual legislation, but key points of GOP plans:

http://camp.house.gov/UploadedFiles/..._Care_plan.pdf

Repeal and Replace the Job-Destroying Health Care Law - A Pledge to America - GOP.gov

Agree 100% on bolded point, and lil Bush should've never pushed the prescription drug plan.
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In the spirit of Chris Christie opening up sportsbooks in NJ, the SS33 Presidential Election window is still open for those over-confident souls who wish to donate

and I promise no tweets in Nov with b****s or m********r references.
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[QUOTE=firstdown;923198]Most of Romney Care did not kick in until 2009.

Bad Try. (really bad)[/QUOTE]

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Most of Romney Care did not kick in until 2009.

Bad Try. (really bad)[/QUOTE]

lol


It's an endless game where they give all the blame and none of the glory and vice versa.

They have rallied behind Romney now, his shamefulness is invisible to them and they are in man on a mission mode. It's quite comical and sad to see them try to make him look pretty for the November dance.
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[QUOTE=Slingin Sammy 33;923197]In the spirit of Chris Christie opening up sportsbooks in NJ, the SS33 Presidential Election window is still open for those over-confident souls who wish to donate

and I promise no tweets in Nov with b****s or m********r references.[/QUOTE

I'm by no means over-confident. But as of today, I don't see Romney's path to victory and neither does his campaign.

What's the bet anyway?
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Most of Romney Care did not kick in until 2009.

Bad Try. (really bad)
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Here is 2010 data, and I imagine it'll be the same for 2011. I can do this all day long.



Nice try again. (no seriously not really)



How about you provide proof instead of me doing all your work for you. You want to paint that Mass is paying the highest rates, but fail to see they have the highest income AND that they actually pay less than most states as a percentage of income.
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We've been going around and around on this for a few years now.

So, the thing that Mitt Romney did in Massachusetts is now constitutional for the nation, making his entire argument one of philosophy. I don't see how the animates the race long-term. Can't wait to hear Romney explain that and keep the base fired up.

Yesterday was a clear win for Americans, Obama and, yes, liberals. We won. It's as simple as that. No spin. See you in November.


I am trying really hard to see the twisted logic he is going to use to tell us we can't have Romneycare at the federal level but we can have coverage for children under 24, denial based on pre-existing condition illegal, lower coverage cost for seniors, etc, etc.

Also, didn't Romney say without the feds his state couldn't have Romneycare and is that Romney or Obama on the video?

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In the spirit of Chris Christie opening up sportsbooks in NJ, the SS33 Presidential Election window is still open for those over-confident souls who wish to donate

and I promise no tweets in Nov with b****s or m********r references.[/QUOTE

I'm by no means over-confident. But as of today, I don't see Romney's path to victory and neither does his campaign.

What's the bet anyway?
You should be confidant if everything stays as is. It will be close but so are all elections these days.

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In the spirit of Chris Christie opening up sportsbooks in NJ, the SS33 Presidential Election window is still open for those over-confident souls who wish to donate

and I promise no tweets in Nov with b****s or m********r references.[/QUOTE

I'm by no means over-confident. But as of today, I don't see Romney's path to victory and neither does his campaign.

What's the bet anyway?
At this point, we're screwed either way. Used to be, Republicans gave too much corporate welfare rather than creating jobs, and Democrats gave too much individual welfare rather than creating jobs.

Now Obama, like Bush, does both. Bush's big spending on everything including the prescription drug deal, and Obama's big spending and working for the health insurance companies and BP. Romney is no better.

I don't see any victory for Americans in the health care mandate being upheld. Just victory for the insurance industry.
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Here is 2010 data, and I imagine it'll be the same for 2011. I can do this all day long.



Nice try again. (no seriously not really)



How about you provide proof instead of me doing all your work for you. You want to paint that Mass is paying the highest rates, but fail to see they have the highest income AND that they actually pay less than most states as a percentage of income.
Crickets.
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