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Old 06-29-2012, 12:59 PM   #76
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At this point, we're screwed either way. Used to be, Republicans gave too much corporate welfare rather than creating jobs, and Democrats gave too much individual welfare rather than creating jobs.

Now Obama, like Bush, does both. Bush's big spending on everything including the prescription drug deal, and Obama's big spending and working for the health insurance companies and BP. Romney is no better.

I don't see any victory for Americans in the health care mandate being upheld. Just victory for the insurance industry.
Given all the benefits in the healthcare law, If you don't see this as victory for the American people, maybe you should revisit some of the provisions. I won't bother to list any.

FYI, the level of federal spending under Obama has risen at the slowest pace since Ike. That's nearly a generation. He's hardly running up the tab on the American people. Nice try though.
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In the spirit of Chris Christie opening up sportsbooks in NJ, the SS33 Presidential Election window is still open for those over-confident souls who wish to donate

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I'm by no means over-confident. But as of today, I don't see Romney's path to victory and neither does his campaign.

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you call the stakes, saden and I are in for $100.
Man you boys are rich. I just bought a brand new grill Let me sit on this for a week. I'm inclined to pass although I see Obama taking 303 EV.
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Given all the benefits in the healthcare law, If you don't see this as victory for the American people, maybe you should revisit some of the provisions. I won't bother to list any.

FYI, the level of federal spending under Obama has risen at the slowest pace since Ike. That's nearly a generation. He's hardly running up the tab on the American people. Nice try though.
"Benefits" of Obamacare
- over $ 700B added to defecit by 2019
- over $ 500B in new taxes on ALL Americans
- Obamacare federal mandate (read unfunded mandate) crushes state budgets.
- Doctors will leave medicine, new doctors will not make investment and will choose other careers leading to an increased shortage of doctors and reduced quality of care.
- Government determines treatment options, particularly important for seniors. "Death Panels", probably not but "rationing of limited resources" absolutely: End-of-Life Medical Advice: Devaluing Patients in Name of Greater Good? - Forbes

We all have first-hand stories of bad healthcare experiences, what everyone needs to ask is has gov't involvement helped or hindered. In my experience gov't involvement has been a detriment. Another important and simple question to ask....if socialized medicine is so great, why do the affluent and often military personnel from other countries seek treatment in the U.S.?

Pretty simple stuff when you get down to it; The shiny new car looks great, but when the monthly payments come due.....not so much.
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Man you boys are rich. I just bought a brand new grill Let me sit on this for a week. I'm inclined to pass although I see Obama taking 303 EV.
Is that grill also a "smoker"????

Doesn't have to be for money, a simple thread of "SS33 is the wisest, most politically astute member or WP" would suffice.
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"Benefits" of Obamacare
- over $ 700B added to defecit by 2019
- over $ 500B in new taxes on ALL Americans

..but not showing how much costs are being cut from Medicare?




Fact Checking the GOP debate: $500 billion in cuts to Medicare? - The Washington Post
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You should be confidant if everything stays as is. It will be close but so are all elections these days.

Election Forecasts - FiveThirtyEight Blog - NYTimes.com
I've been following this one:
RealClearPolitics - 2012 Election Maps - Electoral Map

but as you said, this will be close.
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..but not showing how much costs are being cut from Medicare?




Fact Checking the GOP debate: $500 billion in cuts to Medicare? - The Washington Post
numbers take into account Medicare cuts.
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Given all the benefits in the healthcare law, If you don't see this as victory for the American people, maybe you should revisit some of the provisions. I won't bother to list any.

FYI, the level of federal spending under Obama has risen at the slowest pace since Ike. That's nearly a generation. He's hardly running up the tab on the American people. Nice try though.
I don't think anything you said above is true. For example:





I know I come off as abrasive sometimes, call me on it when I do please. I want to stay civil. Could we lay off the "nice try" sarcasm?

If health care insurance is fundamentally reformed now, why is everybody with a solid paper trail being forced to buy into it?

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"Benefits" of Obamacare
Another one:
- an even more powerful and intrusive IRS...yaaaayy
SCOTUS Ruling Means Bigger, More Intrusive IRS | Fox Business
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Could we lay off the "nice try" sarcasm?

Well, if you not once, but twice try to make a false insinuation about the health care program, what do you expect?

It was said twice that Massachusetts had the highest premiums in the nation and it was implied heavily that it was all due to Romneycare (aka..obamacare). Now this person doesn't do any research into the state. Didn't find out they also have one of the highest costs of living AND also have one of the highest averages of income in then the nation as well. In the end, we find out that the people of Mass. are paying LESS of a % of their income towards health care premiums than say the people in the southern states.

It's slanted and false misinformation that's going to land you a "nice try" from people like myself. It's the least that should be afforded to me since I have to research and debunk the misleading info.
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Another one:
- an even more powerful and intrusive IRS...yaaaayy
SCOTUS Ruling Means Bigger, More Intrusive IRS | Fox Business

Can you use any non-biased sources please? First Romney's main web page, now Fox business news? See the Presidential thread to see my breakdown on the "independent of each other" agencies of Fox.


http://www.thewarpath.net/debating-w...tml#post923029 (2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition))
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It's slanted and false misinformation that's going to land you a "nice try" from people like myself. It's the least that should be afforded to me since I have to research and debunk the misleading info.
Did you give 12th a "nice try" for his earlier post that HG28 commented on?

12th, you can't quote the spokeskid without fact-checking him, c'mon man!

OMB: 4 Yrs of Spending 24%+ of GDP; WH: “Demonstrated Significant Fiscal Restraint’ | CNSNews.com

HG28, nice find on the charts BTW....and you're definitely not abrasive in my book.
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Did you give 12th a "nice try" for his earlier post that HG28 commented on?

12th, you can't quote the spokeskid without fact-checking him, c'mon man!

OMB: 4 Yrs of Spending 24%+ of GDP; WH: “Demonstrated Significant Fiscal Restraint’ | CNSNews.com

HG28, nice find on the charts BTW....and you're definitely not abrasive in my book.
I haven't been keeping up with the side arguments. It's tough enough following my own. :cheeky-sm


I also did it to FD because he seemed to keep hammering that point down that Mass had the highest insurance premiums, and that he implied it was due to Romneycare.
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Can you use any non-biased sources please? First Romney's main web page, now Fox business news? See the Presidential thread to see my breakdown on the "independent of each other" agencies of Fox.


http://www.thewarpath.net/debating-with-the-enemy/47853-2012-presidential-election-free-all-edition-8.html#post923029 (2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition))
You can't discredit the source without reading the info, if the facts are correct, they're correct. I'd try to find sources in the lamestream media, but they bury anything that might hurt the "chosen one" and doctor video/voice tapes to advance their political agendas.

But to appease you, directly from the House Ways & Means Committee....oops they're biased too because the House is in GOP hands...
http://republicans.waysandmeans.hous...wer_Report.pdf

Many of the numbers come from GAO btw.
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