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Old 12-18-2012, 08:28 PM   #211
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Guns have a single purpose. They are for killing. The guns used in the CT murders were used as they were intended to be used, for killing. The car or alcohol in your analogy were used as they are not intended to be used. That is the disconnect.
Saying guns have one purpose, killing, is kinda like saying cars have one purpose, to crash at the highest speeds possible. I doubt the guns the CT shooter used, were bought to massacre people at an elementary school.

Guns are bought for hunting, target practice, self defence (which most owners would tell you they hope never involves actually shooting), and collections. The guns bought for killing, by individuals, gangs, cartels, are a subset of that, like the kids who buy cars based on 0-60 times are a subset of all car owners.
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Old 12-18-2012, 08:44 PM   #213
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Saying guns have one purpose, killing, is kinda like saying cars have one purpose, to crash at the highest speeds possible. I doubt the guns the CT shooter used, were bought to massacre people at an elementary school.

Guns are bought for hunting, target practice, self defence (which most owners would tell you they hope never involves actually shooting), and collections. The guns bought for killing, by individuals, gangs, cartels, are a subset of that, like the kids who buy cars based on 0-60 times are a subset of all car owners.
Exactly!
My guns have only one purpose too, to make holes in paper at 100 and 50 yards. To say that their only purpose is to kill is pretty foolish.
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Old 12-18-2012, 09:11 PM   #214
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You did:

FRPLG: ".....but guns are absolutely part of the problem. Or more accurately the fact that we own so many guns in this country is an indicator of a deeper problem that is caused by many different things. But the pro-gun crowd seems to want to ignore the "fact" that we own TOO MANY guns in this country. Perhaps gun control isn't the answer to effectively reducing them but we do need to reduce them."
Now you're making stuff up. Nowhere did I say limit them for a person. Nowhere. Pro gunners have this reflexive habit about them it seems. Every discussion of violence and guns gets them super defensive. Perhaps discussing and creating positive discourse would be more helpful than just assuming that if someone doesn't think guns are the greatest they must think we should outlaw them.

Again...our society has an astonishing amount of guns. I believe this is an indicator that deserves attention. What does it indicate? Not totally sure. I'm less concerned about how easy it is to get guns. I'm more concerned that it is so prevalent.

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Old 12-18-2012, 09:16 PM   #215
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How about we address the real problems at hand. Mental health and media. They play more of a factor here than do the availability of guns. These people are doing this merely for the attention it will bring to them once they are gone.
I actually very much agree with you. We have a cultural problem that promotes this behavior. I do strongly believe the amount of guns in this country is also indicative of this societal problem as well.
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Old 12-18-2012, 09:43 PM   #216
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Now you're making stuff up. Nowhere did I say limit them for a person. Nowhere. Pro gunners have this reflexive habit about them it seems. Every discussion of violence and guns gets them super defensive. Perhaps discussing and creating positive discourse would be more helpful than just assuming that if someone doesn't think guns are the greatest they must think we should outlaw them.

Again...our society has an astonishing amount of guns. I believe this is an indicator that deserves attention. What does it indicate? Not totally sure. I'm less concerned about how easy it is to get guns. I'm more concerned that it is so prevalent.
You say there are too many but you dont explain what that means.
You say that there is too much.
How can you expect that not to be taken as per person?
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That's what I figured. More histrionics. This needs to be a serious, rational discussion.
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:51 PM   #218
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You say there are too many but you dont explain what that means.
You say that there is too much.
How can you expect that not to be taken as per person?
Because I didn't say that. That's how.
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That's what I figured. More histrionics. This needs to be a serious, rational discussion.
Then provide some yourself. No one is stopping you.
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It had also dropped that much prior to the bann so what does that prove.
Actually the study which claimed that homicide rates in Australia dropped prior to the Aussie gun ban has been debunked as a false put-on created by the gun lobby.
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How about we address the real problems at hand. Mental health and media. They play more of a factor here than do the availability of guns. These people are doing this merely for the attention it will bring to them once they are gone.
Certainly we need to get a better hold on the roles of mental health and the media in gun violence.

But it is also true that if we also take guns off of the streets, then people would be forced to find less lethal ways to seek "attention."
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Anyone watching CNN right now. Piers Morgan - i have never seen two people argue and insult each other like this. Its about gun control btw.
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Old 12-19-2012, 07:18 AM   #223
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Certainly we need to get a better hold on the roles of mental health and the media in gun violence.

But it is also true that if we also take guns off of the streets, then people would be forced to find less lethal ways to seek "attention."
No, they will just find alternative lethal ways to seek attention.
There are so many ways to go about this I fail to see how you can predict they will be less lethal.
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Anyone watching CNN right now. Piers Morgan - i have never seen two people argue and insult each other like this. Its about gun control btw.
Piers Morgan really can be a POS. Not Bill Maher level, but a real dick. Its like Rush or Bill, from the other side.
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Exactly!
My guns have only one purpose too, to make holes in paper at 100 and 50 yards. To say that their only purpose is to kill is pretty foolish.
Missing the point really. Maybe we need to talk about how guns make it easier to kill than other weapons. Its quicker, more painless and efficient. You are pressing a trigger from yards away...kinda makes it easier to desensitize yourself.

It's a combination of capacity and easy of doing significant harm.

Why not make holes in paper using an air rifle or something? Why does it have to be bullets? If your answer is because I can, feels good, murica, etc. then I can't talk to you.
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