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| Re: Gun Control Thread- Should we? Quote:
Same kind of ****ing idiots that misuse a vehicle and kill. | |
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| Re: Gun Control Thread- Should we? I agree with this article, for the most part: The roots of mass murder The irony is that over the last 30 years, the U.S. homicide rate has declined by 50 percent. Gun murders as well. We’re living not through an epidemic of gun violence but through a historic decline. And: But there’s a cost. Gun control impinges upon the Second Amendment; involuntary commitment impinges upon the liberty clause of the Fifth Amendment; curbing “entertainment” violence impinges upon First Amendment free speech. That’s a lot of impingement, a lot of amendments. But there’s no free lunch. Increasing public safety almost always means restricting liberties. We made that trade after 9/11. We make it every time the Transportation Security Administration invades your body at an airport. How much are we prepared to trade away after Newtown? |
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| Im not really on a side here. Its about containment, clean up, and preventitive maintenance. Since bad guys have guns the good guys need guns too - its the chicken and the egg. We cant just make them all disappear. One thing i would be in favor of is stiffer penalties for a lost or stolen gun. Also stiffer requirements for buying guns. If i purchase a gun to have in my house to protect my family from some nutjob who decides to break in with his own gun there certainly should be no issue with that. However if that gun turns up missing or stolen than i should be in serious trouble. It is my responsibility to keep that gun out of the hands of some nutjob. Mrs Lanza obviously was not responsible and the result was catastrophic. There are no easy answers. There are way too many guns already in circulation. Distribution of any and all guns going forward need to be funnelled through one source so they can be traced back to that source. On top of that we need some sort of task force to try and recover all the guns in circulation. The key though is the stiff penalties for the irresponsible. It would make other gun owners think twice about keeping their own weapons secure. If Mrs Lanza had survived she should have been made example of. When you choose to buy a gun you are obligated under heavy penalty of the law to keep it out of the hands of anybody else. And if you fail to do so than you will be made example of.
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Cock snorting is purely mythical mumbo jumbo and not even possible if you think about it so i really pay it no mind
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Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina
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| Re: Gun Control Thread- Should we? Quote:
I agree 100% with your points you have made in regards to the prerequisites one would have to meet in order to obtain a firearm. I think many places require such prerequisites already, or something very similar before someone can carry a concealed weapon. So, maybe just explain that out to all weapons one purchases. However, that's just the tip of the ice burg, and it's really just a small precaution that doesn't hit on the root of the problem. We can have the most strict gun laws in the world, but that alone won't prevent mass murders from happening. In fact, some of the worst murders in the history of this nation didn't involve guns. It comes down to treating the behavior before it even has a chance to manifest into something much worse. For instance, often times, a sign of someone with homicidal tendencies can start when they are young. The kids who thinks its funny killing dogs or cats with fire crackers or throwing them in microwaves, and etc...and then getting some sort of high or rush from watching these animals suffer. This can be a very big tale-tale sign that there is something very wrong with this person. I can go on and on about other aspects, but the point is, people have gotten so wrapped up in arguments that really tend to become very insignificant band-aids on the problem. If we all realized that the focus and attention first goes on the behavioral health aspect, and maybe stricter gun laws once the first aspect has been reached, then we'll find real progress.
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I realize that will never happen, but ill be damned if i dont think about it.
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| Re: Gun Control Thread- Should we? I hate to say it, but that would probably put them in a frame of mind that they're some type of messiah.
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| I think that if your that far gone you are going to do it anyway. For the ones that just want the fame and dont care about life in prison or being executed they might think twice. Anyway its just a dumb thought that makes me feel good and obviously would never happen.
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| Re: Gun Control Thread- Should we? Quote:
I posted this a few pages ago and people simply ignored it. You want to stop mass murderers? Stop giving them their fame and glory. The media and our culture are solely responsible for these types of attacks continuing. Guess what? They are going to continue to happen and it's not be because guns are available. It's going to be because these people have psychiatric problems and want to live in infamy. They are going to continue to strike places that that offer no resistance. They are going to continue to strike people that are innocent. They are going to continue committing suicide once they are being closed in on. This quote from the NRA's top lobbyist is spot on. Quote:
While I'm not really "pro" NRA or even a member of theirs, what he said is 100% accurate. Maybe instead of banning or regulating guns, we start regulating media and how they report these type of events.
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| Re: Gun Control Thread- Should we? Everyday, a average of 30 people die in the US that involve a alcohol impaired driver. In 2010, 211 children were killed by alcohol impaired driver. So why isn't the media or our politicians calling for stricter regulation on alcohol? Why isn't this a bigger focus when it consumes more lives? Why is one deemed such a problem with our county while the other one is glorified and celebrated? Media. That's why. You control the media, you control the message, and ultimately you control the people. It really is that simple.
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Edit: they could make the legal bac ridiculously low but that isnt going to matter. People will still drink and drive.
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Gamebreaker Join Date: Nov 2010
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| Re: Gun Control Thread- Should we? Quote:
So why is it the media makes gun violence a issue, but not alcohol related deaths? Which do you think is a bigger issue? 75,000 related alcohol deaths or 15,000 gun related? Media has a agenda. That agenda is the push the buttons of people's fear and emotions so they can prosper. ![]()
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Inactive Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: DC Metro Area Age: 39
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| Re: Gun Control Thread- Should we? Uhm, it's ok to have a gun. It's OK to drink alcohol. If you maintain your gun responsibly then innocent people should not get hurt. If you drink responsibly then people should not get hurt. The reality is that mankind cannot expect everyone to do both responsibly. Therefore, all of the problems associated with these devices will continue. When there was a prohibition of alcohol people used guns to defend their use of alcohol. If you prohibit guns, people will consume alcohol and defend their right to bear arms. There is no real solution. It is like playing tic-tac-toe. Now who is up for war games? |
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