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Old 07-25-2012, 12:23 PM   #106
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Wait, but aren't there people here saying that the solution to the massacre in Aurora would have been everyone started pulling their weapon?
One assailant, two targets is not the same as a theater full of targets, come on now.
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Old 07-25-2012, 12:26 PM   #107
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Wait, but aren't there people here saying that the solution to the massacre in Aurora would have been everyone started pulling their weapon?
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I sure didnt.
There is no solution to that.

You cant predict insanity.
Some have.

My point is only that: (1) The assumption that it necessarily would have lessened the damage is an assumption based on a lot of things breaking the right way for the good guys and (2) Generically, the right to carry concealed weaponry would not have deterred Holmes from carrying out this particular crime.
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Old 07-25-2012, 12:37 PM   #108
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Well I'm done with this thread.
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Well I'm done with this thread.
Probably just as well, you really weren't holding up your end of the argument.

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Well I'm done with this thread.
I think mredskins said it best when he said this is a merry go round.
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I have a problem with that. So John with a clear back ground can go buy a gun and sell it to Mike who wants it to gang bang and no back ground check.

Correct. The same holds true for Josh with a perfect driving record who sells a fast car to Mark who wants to use it for speed racing and who is without a license and insurance.

I have only sold (was actually a partial trade for a non firearm item plus cash) one gun like this. But i have bought many guns this way. In fact i even traded a "hot rod" (dont worry it wasnt to Mark) style elCamanio Conquista for several thousand dollars worth of guns/ammo/accesories plus a thousand or so of cash. I know how redneck and outlandish that last statement may sound, but i swear im not a redneck. Heck i was at a Boyz II Men concert a month or so ago.

My understanding of the law is that the seller retains some responsibilties in these sales. So lets say i sold firstdown a gun. I would have to reasonably suspect that he is a VA resident, at least 21 years old, not a felon, or suspect that he would use it in a unlawful way. I am also not allowed to be a dealer or a person selling a gun that i bought for the sole prupose of reselling it. *I think the dealer thing is tricky and there may be some exceptions.

A few things ive noticed in my personal experience of buying/selling guns like this. Many people doing this are police, military or the like. Many people will only sell to CCP holders and/or require multiple forms of ID. Many people doing this are trading firearms for other firearms. When i say many i mean around 50%.

Additional I think in 3 of the times i bought guns this way, the kids or familes of the seller were present. In nearly every instance the transactions have taken place in parking lots with lots of "innocent" people around (scary for the anti-gun folk, right?). There was a guy that stuttered real bad once, but besides that none of the people ive delt with would come across as weird in any way and only one guy (the guy who wanted the elCamino....) was what i would call an obvious redneck.

I add that last paragraph because i think as Smoot and Mredskins noted ealier it is in many ways a cultural thing. To the guys selling guns with their kid next to them, it didnt come across as not normal in any way whatsoever.

I was brought up in a very anti-gun household and the first time i bought a gun via private party it was very strange and uncomfortable; however, now it doesnt seem odd or frightening to me at all. I think many of us (myself included) were raised in households without guns around and were taught to fear them, not respect and appreciate them. With that in mind perhaps the only gun control we need is hands on experience in our public schools?
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I think mredskins said it best when he said this is a merry go round.
Same thing happened in the Nugent thread. People having the same arguments over and over.

Through a post or two about dog training and we have it nailed.
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Old 07-25-2012, 03:57 PM   #113
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My question to those that support gun control laws is do you actually think it's going to be successful?

If history has shown anything, it's shown that a "war on _____" hasn't been successful.

Terrorism? Nope.

Drugs? Nope.

Obesity? Nope.

Crime? Nope.


All the laws and regulations and restrictions of civil liberties hasn't phased any of the areas I've listed.

What do you actually propose?
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If the United State can embark on a project to reclaim all the gold in the country I suspect it can collect all the assault rifles in the country, or at least as much of it as possible and criminalize the possession of it.
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I'd say our war on Terrorism has been very successful. Now thats after 9/11 when we really started fighting it here.
What have you succeeded at? Destroying al Qaeda? Prevent al Shabaab from forming? I wouldn't call band-aids success but you go ahead and keep on believing.
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Old 07-28-2012, 01:34 PM   #116
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Salesman shot in head "for effect" - NBC-2.com WBBH News for Fort Myers, Cape Coral & Naples, Florida

This was posted by HailGreen28 in the other thread and thought it was very appropriate for this thread.

These are the kind of guys that need to pass a mental health test before owning a gun. I hope he never steps foot out of jail, and quite frankly think he deserves the hanging gallows.
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Gunman, six others dead at Wisconsin Sikh temple - CNN.com

crazy person + guns =

we cant seem to get the math problem right
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Gunman, six others dead at Wisconsin Sikh temple - CNN.com

crazy person + guns =

we cant seem to get the math problem right

Get rid of the crazy people. PROBLEM SOLVED. :cool-smil
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Three dead after shooting near Texas A&M - NBC12.com - Richmond, VA News, Weather, Traffic & Sports

"the shooter's mom said her son has had 'mental issues' the last couple years"

anyone see a f*cking pattern? crazy people + guns
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