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Old 09-05-2012, 04:24 AM   #16
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They'll mention the troops.....while gutting their funding and strecthing them impossibly thin.

BS, the last round of BRAC was 2005...........

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The Pentagon released its proposed list for BRAC 2005 (see Base Realignment and Closure, 2005) on May 13, 2005 (a date given the moniker "BRAC Friday," a pun on Black Friday). After an extensive series of public hearings, analysis of DoD-supplied supporting data, and solicitation of comments from the public, the list of recommendations was revised by the 9-member Defense Base Closure and Realignments Commission in two days of public markups and votes on individual recommendations (the proceedings were broadcast by C-SPAN and are available for review on the network's website). The Commission submitted its revised list to the President on September 8, 2005. The President approved the list and signalled his approval to Congress on September 15. The House of Representatives took up a joint resolution to disapprove the recommendations on October 26, but the resolution failed to pass. The recommendations were thereby enacted. The Secretary of Defense must implement the recommendations not later than September 15, 2011.
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Old 09-05-2012, 08:37 AM   #17
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Do you really want to argue the president's record on serving our veterans? No Republican has even come close to what this Administration has done.
Obama has increased VA funding for certain programs, however your point is spin at best....here's the real world:

Funding cuts and forced expeditures that don't increase fighting effectiveness/efficiency/safety can put troops at greater risk. Obama also proposed increase health care costs for troops. Examples:

- green fuel that costs $ 26 / gal vs. under $ 4 for regular fuel
- increasing costs for health care on active duty and retirees personnel....while leaving unionized civilian workers costs as-is.
Pres. Obama to Cut Health Care for Troops - President Obama - Fox Nation
Obama to Cut Health Benefits for Active, Retired Military

- draconian cuts to DoD that will severely weaken the military. The sequestration cuts are on top of another $ 500B in cuts Obama has already made.
Defense official says automatic cuts will cause 'absurdities' – CNN Security Clearance - CNN.com Blogs

- while we're playing "honey I shrunk the military" (to dangerously low levels), Obama also wants to reduce our nulear warhead capacity (our ultimate deterrent) to 5 times below what Russia has (300 to 1500). That makes sense....we've got the biggest stick, on a dangerous block, and we're going to give that stick to the Russians. Who are being ruled by a guy who is still pissed off we destroyed the USSR....in Putin. I'm sure he has no animosity at all towards us. Is this a f-ing joke?
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Old 09-05-2012, 08:52 AM   #18
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Slingin, wait a second friend. First of all, there's no spin here. The president has done even more than what you've listed for our veterans. Like I said you'd have to look long and hard to find a president in recent memory who's done more. Your candidate didn't have the guts to mention our troops in Afghanistan or Iraq once, but he's somehow more concerned and better? Give me a break.

Secondly, the automatic defense cuts were written by Congress because they couldn't reach a deal on the debt ceiling. You remember that, right? When the right dragged the country into a ditch and ended up raising the debt ceiling anyway? So these automatic cuts were in fact signed into law UNLESS Congress, not the president, reaches some new agreement.

Let's be honest we need to shrink our military footprint. I say that as a proud former vet. We have the world's strongest and most innovative military, but we need to downsize some and reapportion funding to build up our own country.
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:27 AM   #19
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Funny those real stories talked about their hard work and their grandparents hard work not about what the gov. did to help them. Its not until they started talking about the American people they talked about us needing the goverment to do what they did on their own. Castro was the best example of this and talking about his grandmother working three jobs (he did not mention gov. help). He said her hard work made it possible for them to get where he was today.
So then we both agree, government can't do everything for people. No argument there.
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:28 AM   #20
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War hero Tammy Duckworth last night. Really great speech.

Duckworth touts Obama record at DNC convention - Chicago Tribune
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Fox News criticizing DNC for not including God in their platform.
Dick Durbin, Fox host duel over ‘God’ - Mackenzie Weinger - POLITICO.com
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Old 09-05-2012, 01:17 PM   #22
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Secondly, the automatic defense cuts were written by Congress because they couldn't reach a deal on the debt ceiling. You remember that, right? When the right dragged the country into a ditch and ended up raising the debt ceiling anyway? So these automatic cuts were in fact signed into law UNLESS Congress, not the president, reaches some new agreement.
wrong, the left's reckless spending on failed green energy, stimulus, bailouts to unions, takeover of the healthcare system, and burying their heads in the sand on the mortgage crisis and entitlement reform, and over-regulation of all industries are what's dragged to country into the ditch.

And let's be honest, Obama has already nailed the DoD with significant cuts and now is simply using the additional $ 500B to leverage the GOP to raise taxes....on all Americans. You can make whatever point about Romney not mentioning the troops in a speech....but truth is everyone knows the GOP supports the military far more than Obama ever has or will.

And there's no disputing the BS "green fuel" garbage, forcing troops to pay more for healthcare to fund ObamaCare, and the reduction in the nuclear arsenal.

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Let's be honest we need to shrink our military footprint. I say that as a proud former vet. We have the world's strongest and most innovative military, but we need to downsize some and reapportion funding to build up our own country.
We're both proud vets and we agree here, but what's being done is not "downsizing some" or "reapportioning". This is gutting the military at the expensive of green energy and other Obama pet programs.
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Old 09-05-2012, 01:25 PM   #23
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Isn't Joe Biden scheduled to give the keynote tonight? Oh, that's right he'll just be a warm-up on Thursday. LOL.
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Old 09-05-2012, 01:34 PM   #24
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Numbers you won't see at the DNC:

- National Debt Clock, tops 16T
U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time#

- National Budget Defecit, over $ 1.2T
see above, just below National Debt number.

- Median Household Income Jan. 2009 vs. June 2012
$ 54,983 down to $ 50,964 This is twice the 2.6% drop during the actual recession from Dec. 2007 to June 2009.

- 46 million Americans on food stamps today, up 6.4 million from three years ago.

- 6.4 million more Americans in poverty today than when Obama took office. And despite Obamacare, national health spending is up 13 percent, while the average worker's health insurance costs are up 23 percent. Obama had promised both those numbers would go down if the Democrats running Congress approved his agenda, which they did. These "achievements" added $4.6 trillion more in federal debt.
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Numbers you won't see at the DNC:

- National Debt Clock, tops 16T
U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time#

- National Budget Defecit, over $ 1.2T
see above, just below National Debt number.

- Median Household Income Jan. 2009 vs. June 2012
$ 54,983 down to $ 50,964 This is twice the 2.6% drop during the actual recession from Dec. 2007 to June 2009.

- 46 million Americans on food stamps today, up 6.4 million from three years ago.

- 6.4 million more Americans in poverty today than when Obama took office. And despite Obamacare, national health spending is up 13 percent, while the average worker's health insurance costs are up 23 percent. Obama had promised both those numbers would go down if the Democrats running Congress approved his agenda, which they did. These "achievements" added $4.6 trillion more in federal debt.
scary stuff. And how Id like to blame it all on Obama (he certainly is part of the problem) I gotta give alot of blame to leadership in Congress. Both sides. I simply cannot understand why people, who we f*cking over-pay, cant sit down like civil human beings and hash out a plan on the economy, jobs, and debt crisis. I mean its unbelievable how our supposid national leaders act up in washington.
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scary stuff. And how Id like to blame it all on Obama (he certainly is part of the problem) I gotta give alot of blame to leadership in Congress. Both sides. I simply cannot understand why people, who we f*cking over-pay, cant sit down like civil human beings and hash out a plan on the economy, jobs, and debt crisis. I mean its unbelievable how our supposid national leaders act up in washington.
I'll say the same thing about Romney that I did about Obama when he was elected, he has the opportunity to be a transformative POTUS....if he can govern from the middle and force folks on both sides to come together on this stuff.
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wrong, the left's reckless spending on failed green energy, stimulus, bailouts to unions, takeover of the healthcare system, and burying their heads in the sand on the mortgage crisis and entitlement reform, and over-regulation of all industries are what's dragged to country into the ditch.

And let's be honest, Obama has already nailed the DoD with significant cuts and now is simply using the additional $ 500B to leverage the GOP to raise taxes....on all Americans. You can make whatever point about Romney not mentioning the troops in a speech....but truth is everyone knows the GOP supports the military far more than Obama ever has or will.

And there's no disputing the BS "green fuel" garbage, forcing troops to pay more for healthcare to fund ObamaCare, and the reduction in the nuclear arsenal.

We're both proud vets and we agree here, but what's being done is not "downsizing some" or "reapportioning". This is gutting the military at the expensive of green energy and other Obama pet programs.
You're complaining about Defense cuts that Republicans voted for? That makes no sense. They crafted the bill and voted for it. Period. Period!

Mitt Romney is a failed candidate. And I still dare you to put any Republicans record against Obama's on his commitment to our troops and veterans. No one even come close, especially Bush I who sent our boys into harms way without adequate body armor.

Don't pedal your Republican talking points about how the right care for our troops when your god damn nominee nor his lying VP didn't bother to mention them one damn time. Get outta here. Romney is clueless.
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wrong, the left's reckless spending on failed green energy, stimulus, bailouts to unions, takeover of the healthcare system, and burying their heads in the sand on the mortgage crisis and entitlement reform, and over-regulation of all industries are what's dragged to country into the ditch.

And let's be honest, Obama has already nailed the DoD with significant cuts and now is simply using the additional $ 500B to leverage the GOP to raise taxes....on all Americans. You can make whatever point about Romney not mentioning the troops in a speech....but truth is everyone knows the GOP supports the military far more than Obama ever has or will.

And there's no disputing the BS "green fuel" garbage, forcing troops to pay more for healthcare to fund ObamaCare, and the reduction in the nuclear arsenal.

We're both proud vets and we agree here, but what's being done is not "downsizing some" or "reapportioning". This is gutting the military at the expensive of green energy and other Obama pet programs.
Slingin, this sentence contradicts itself. Lack of regulation in banking circles caused the mortgage crisis -- later you complain about over-regulation. You want the government to stick their head in and keep consumers from themselves when something goes wrong, but complain about overregulation? Pick one and stick to it.
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Neither side wants to cut anything. I laugh at the right saying we need to make cuts but freak when talking about cutting military spending. The left has not seen a social program big enough or a goverment agency that is not needed. People say cut spending but the minute those cuts are in their backyard they are against the cuts. I see it here now with the military cuts about to take affect. I'm sorry cuts will hurt some people (miltary cuts here affect me) but its time for both sides to work together and make the needed cuts.

Obama's problem is that he does not know how to lead and bring both side together. He himself starts acting like a baby when he does not get his way and that's not what true leaders does. With Mitt we have seen him in Mass. working with both sides to get things done rather you agree with them or not.
Good lord, somebody time stamp this post. I agreed with literally, almost, everything you wrote.

Did someone hack your account? You're right both sides need to grow up a little bit and put some skin in the game.
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