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Old 08-19-2014, 08:13 PM   #241
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You just get the feeling that sooner later someone is going to do something stupider than stupid. It just reminds me of pre WWI Europe.
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Old 08-19-2014, 08:22 PM   #242
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You just get the feeling that sooner later someone is going to do something stupider than stupid. It just reminds me of pre WWI Europe.
The biggest problem I have is why arent other countries seeing this huge problem, amassing an army and doing something about these cray cray isis cats. Do they support it?
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Old 08-19-2014, 08:46 PM   #243
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ISIS beheading U.S. journalist James Foley, posts video - CNN.com

I think Im just beginning to hate everything "Middle East" and just say eff it and nuke all these countries
I hope to goodness that the US wipes the floor with ISIS. As this point, I'm willing to go balls deep into Iraq (again) to clean house of these morons. While we are at it, I say we go ahead and end the source of their funding. /looks at Saudi Arabia
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The biggest problem I have is why arent other countries seeing this huge problem, amassing an army and doing something about these cray cray isis cats. Do they support it?
Other countries like who? Do we want Iran to go deep into Iraq and basically create a land bridge to Syria? Syria is in it's own quandary and some propagandists argue the US sponsored ISiS in Syria and now has lost control. Given our track record in the middle east I am not sure that gets completely discounted. Jordan Saudi Arabia and the rest of the moderate Middle East nations have enough of an issue with the threat against their homelands why are they going to risk angering significant groups within their boundaries for a bunch of meaningless others(my belief in how most see the Kurds and other minorities most at risk from ISIS.

I guess bottomline the techniques and policies of ISIS may be outrageous here in the US, but it isn't completely out of line with the rulers of most local nations that we would normally encourage to intervene.
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and some propagandists argue the US sponsored ISiS in Syria and now has lost control.

It wouldn't be the first time. We trained Al Qaeda from it's inception and lost control of that organization.


Come to think of it, maybe we haven't lost control, but they are doing exactly what our CIA wants them to do. Goes back to what I said here:


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I wouldn't be surprised if those nuts are funded and organized by people within our own government. It keeps perpetual war going so we can continue feeding billions of dollars to the war machine. Let's thank Bush for this complete disaster in Iraq. Hope that douche bag is happy.
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The biggest problem I have is why arent other countries seeing this huge problem, amassing an army and doing something about these cray cray isis cats. Do they support it?
IS is following the fundamental tenants of Islam and passages directly from the Qur'an. If the government of any of the predominately Muslim countries stands officially against IS, they put themselves in the position of 40-50% of their population turning against them and becoming the next target for the fundamental Islamists.

This won't happen with the weakest foreign policy President in the 20th-21st centuries, however what needs to be done is for the POTUS to go to Congress and obtain a declaration of war on any groups which openly have declared war/jihad on the U.S. or are involved in genocide. Once obtained, use Spec Ops and drone strikes to wipe these animals out whenever they raise their f-ing murderous heads.

If different factions of Islam want to fight amongst themselves, fine. But when groups like IS are flat our murdering/beheading innocents time to step in with extreme deadly force to deter the pieces of $hit from doing this stuff. No massive 100K of troops sitting in the sand as targets, change the rules of engagement and let the military serve its purpose....to kill bad guys and destroy stuff.

These animals see the reluctance of the U.S. to act and we're the only force that can stop this evil. Time to wake up....or it's just a matter of time before this cancer spreads throughout Europe, through SE Asia and within the next century possibly to North and South America.
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Old 08-20-2014, 12:43 PM   #247
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IS is following the fundamental tenants of Islam and passages directly from the Qur'an. If the government of any of the predominately Muslim countries stands officially against IS, they put themselves in the position of 40-50% of their population turning against them and becoming the next target for the fundamental Islamists.
This won't happen with the weakest foreign policy President in the 20th-21st centuries, however what needs to be done is for the POTUS to go to Congress and obtain a declaration of war on any groups which openly have declared war/jihad on the U.S. or are involved in genocide. Once obtained, use Spec Ops and drone strikes to wipe these animals out whenever they raise their f-ing murderous heads.

If different factions of Islam want to fight amongst themselves, fine. But when groups like IS are flat our murdering/beheading innocents time to step in with extreme deadly force to deter the pieces of $hit from doing this stuff. No massive 100K of troops sitting in the sand as targets, change the rules of engagement and let the military serve its purpose....to kill bad guys and destroy stuff.

These animals see the reluctance of the U.S. to act and we're the only force that can stop this evil. Time to wake up....or it's just a matter of time before this cancer spreads throughout Europe, through SE Asia and within the next century possibly to North and South America.
That is not an excuse, so you saying 40-50% support what isis is doing if they arent against it.

We need to start bottomlining some things to Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Iraq.

This is flat out genocide...so Muslim support genocide?
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Old 08-20-2014, 01:05 PM   #248
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honestly the video yesterday of the journalist beheading made me recall that anger i havent felt since 9/11. I havent felt that in a long time. Alot of anger towards the middle east, isis, and quite frankly the way we've handled this threat since it began 3-4 months ago. I really hate these terriosts. I kinda feel like burning isis flags in the streets
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That is not an excuse, so you saying 40-50% support what isis is doing if they arent against it.
Agree 100% this is no excuse for Mid East regional gov'ts to stand by and do nothing. Unfortunately the leaders/rulers of these countries are fat and happy with the status quo and don't want IS types coming to behead them. They certainly aren't going to risk their lives/money over a bunch of Christians...and quite frankly there are many that flat out support IS philosophically and financially.

Based on pols conducted of people in the Mid East about 40-50% have to support IS's actions. They're following the Qur'an and implementing real Sharia law. Based on Pew Research polls in the Mid East in 2013 the following percentages favored Sharia as the "law of the land".
Pakistan - 84%
Afghanistan - 99%
Iraq - 91%
Egypt - 74%
Jordan - 71%

Keep in mind IS's actions toward non-Muslims of convert, leave, accept dhimmitude, or die, is part of Sharia law.

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We need to start bottomlining some things to Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Iraq.
Again agree 100%, no $$$, military support, etc. unless Human Rights start to get cleaned up. Unfortunately for us, we're nowhere near on our way to energy independence (thanks to Obama and the left) and the Saudis would respond by either cuting-off or jacking up prices on our oil supply. The U.S. public has no stomach for that, hence politicians won't take that risk.

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This is flat out genocide...so Muslim support genocide?
Anti-Christian genocide by Muslim's is not new, this has been going on since the beginnings of Islam.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101

Problem is anyone who brings this stuff up (any time outside of beheading videos being posted or 9/11) is labeled an Islamophobe and a hate filled, far right-wing war monger.
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I hope to goodness that the US wipes the floor with ISIS. As this point, I'm willing to go balls deep into Iraq (again) to clean house of these morons. While we are at it, I say we go ahead and end the source of their funding. /looks at Saudi Arabia
you personally or do you mean sending other people's kids?

and it's not just saudi arabia, there's a lot of money flowing from all over the region through a million different means to islamic fighters. and a lot of US money also ends up getting routed to people actively looking to fight us too.

perpetual war and an endless money pit... success?
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you personally or do you mean sending other people's kids?
The adults that VOLUNTEERED for military service. The military isn't a social program, it's a fighting force.

So your stance is to stand back and watch tens of thousands get slaughtered/beheaded/crucified when we have the capability to stop it? If that's your stance it's disgusting.

How would you feel if IS was running rampant through NoVA and the only people that could stop them decided it "wasn't worth it" to end mass genocide.
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If im that British terrorist im shitting my pants, because we are coming for him. And because he was british, that motivates our friends across the pond. I think they gonna want some too; I say lets get to it
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Anti-Christian genocide by Muslim's is not new, this has been going on since the beginnings of Islam.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101

Problem is anyone who brings this stuff up (any time outside of beheading videos being posted or 9/11) is labeled an Islamophobe and a hate filled, far right-wing war monger.
For the record, anti-palestinian genocide has been going on since old testament times, and Israel continues it today with US help. There is no correct side in that land, and if there is one side that is abiding by the God described in the old testament, of which Christianity came from, it is those tearing down idols and destroying those who blaspheme the name of their God. Most Christians in the US don't want to acknowledge that the God of the Bible (old Testament mainly) not only abided by genecide, but commanded it. When Israelites marched and the walls of Jericho fell, their God didn't command that only the really bad guys be put in prison His command was:
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And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, both young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.
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The city was completely destroyed, and every man, woman, child and animal in it was killed by Joshua's army by God's command. Only Rahab and her family were spared, because she had hidden the two spies sent by Joshua. After this, Joshua burned the remains of the city and cursed any man who would rebuild the city of Jericho would do so at the cost of his firstborn son.
Look at the map of the bombing of Gaza. The gaza strip is 7miles x 32 miles. For comparison the strip of land from Baltimore to DC, between 295 and Route 29 is approximately the same, and there are 1.8 million people living there and a lot of homes have been turned to rubble from Israel's bombings against innocents, yet the US is up in arms because one video of a man was beheaded?

There's no simple solution. This hatred and genocide has gone on for millenia and we, for better or worse have made our bed with Israel. I get that. And it is where this world is. But let's not pretend that only one side here is capable of genocide.
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Old 08-21-2014, 04:31 PM   #254
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These are some brave journalists. That much is for certain. Hell of a documentary on ISIS and well worth the time. This isn't some small organization now.

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ISIS Spokesperson Reportedly Killed By Syrian Army


Looks like one asshole isn't going to be making his trip to DC to hang the Islamic State flag at the White House.


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