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Old 09-13-2012, 10:08 AM   #31
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Any chance we can get the filmaker and all financiers of the film on the first plane to Cairo? I cant stand when some one yells free speech and goes into hiding. You make something with the sole purpose of hate and too afraid to face the reaction? What a ****in pussy.
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There are conflicting reports on whether the two security guards killed were marines.

Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens - CBS News

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Al-Sharef said two U.S. Marines sent to Benghazi when the clash erupted were shot and killed by the well-armed protesters. It was not immediately clear whether the Marines were part of Stevens' security detail.
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Marine Capt. Kendra Motz told us: "We don't have any Marine equities in the consulate in Benghazi, nor do we have any reports of Marine casualties from there at this time."

Anti-terror Marine team heading to Libya to reinforce security at diplomatic facilities - The Washington Post

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U.S. embassies, particularly in major countries and in unstable or less secure nations, usually have a resident contingent of Marine security guards. Early indications were that there was no Marine security unit at the U.S. consulate in Benghazi. A consulate is a branch office in major cities outside the capital. These guards work under the supervision of the senior diplomatic officer at an embassy.

The main role of Marine security guards is to protect classified national security documents, according to the web site of the Marine Corps Embassy Security Group, which administers the security guard mission from a Marine base in Virginia. Their secondary role is to protect U.S. citizens and U.S. government property in the event of an emergency.
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Old 09-13-2012, 12:46 PM   #33
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Nice to see but that's a small group saying they support us compared to hate we see. If you look at the photos its the same small group of people with pics from different angles.

They in a war zone and are putting themselves in danger to sympathize with us and protest the killings and all you have to say is "form the pictures there aren't many of them." What an asinine thing to say.
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I wonder if they used the weapons that Obama gave them to kill our own?
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Old 09-15-2012, 07:44 PM   #36
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This is gut wrenching and truly upsetting. Once live fire is heard there's no such thing as a civilian...you fire at will and in all directions.
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Yea right....thats what got Blackwater in such deep sh1t.
First off, the Blackwater thing is totally different. Not even in the same ball park. Secondly, the US Embassy is American soil, and any attempt to breach that land is a act of aggression and it should be dealt with severely.

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yeah, cause one idiot fires a gun, you have full authority to murder 2000 peaceful protestors (though these guys weren't exactly entirely peaceful).
Like I said above, the US embassy is American soil. It's no different if they landed on our beaches and started attacking random places. They needed to be put down swiftly and harshly. The peaceful protestors wouldn't be trying to breach the compound, they would be outside still protesting. For anybody trying to climb the walls, or enter the compound, it should be a shoot to kill type scenario. These are simple rules of engagement.


They have a movie about this VERY type of scenario that happened(breached embassy by armed crowd). It rightfully is called Rules of Engagement. Watch it.

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I wonder if they used the weapons that Obama gave them to kill our own?
um, unless i'm mistaken we didn't give them weapons. we gave them training/uniforms/food/medical aid, but not guns. the dudes in the pics i saw had ak's, so unless you have a link or something, i think you're sensationalizing and making a pointless/stupid dig at obama.
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They have a movie about this VERY type of scenario that happened(breached embassy by armed crowd). It rightfully is called Rules of Engagement.
trust me, i understand RoE I was just saying, we shouldn't be throwing around invasions of foreign countries like that should be our first response to every american death (unless those suggesting it are about to go enlist or are cool with being drafted and sent to the desert for the next 10-20 years). We had some very extreme reactionary suggestions in the thread that just weren't/aren't based in reality.

if you read my other post, based on embassy defense in africa, the best course is to snipe the leaders/heavy weapons and it tends to chill the crowd the %$^ out pretty quick. I heard reports they might not have even had live ammo though, and certainly not enough people to protect against the size of crowd that showed up.
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trust me, i understand RoE I was just saying, we shouldn't be throwing around invasions of foreign countries like that should be our first response to every american death (unless those suggesting it are about to go enlist or are cool with being drafted and sent to the desert for the next 10-20 years). We had some very extreme reactionary suggestions in the thread that just weren't/aren't based in reality.

if you read my other post, based on embassy defense in africa, the best course is to snipe the leaders/heavy weapons and it tends to chill the crowd the %$^ out pretty quick. I heard reports they might not have even had live ammo though, and certainly not enough people to protect against the size of crowd that showed up.

Correct. You don't invade a country because a band of insurgents raided your embassy. Had the Libyan government raided the compound, that would be a different story. I'm all for mounting heavy machine guns on the corners of the embassy buildings.


...or set up some motion detector machine guns in the courtyard like these.





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pffftttt....we're not going to invade Libya over this, not even close.....
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Old 09-18-2012, 10:59 AM   #41
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Jon Stewart Takes On Conservative Hypocrisy Over Middle Eastern Democracy (VIDEO)


Do these idiots really even listen to themselves? Foreign policies under Bush is good. The same foreign policies under Obama is bad. Morons.
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Protester dies after inhaling fumes from burning American flag | Fox News

I generally don't like to laugh at people's deaths or misfortune's, but Ill make an exception in this guy's case. Darwin award candidate?
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I wonder if they used the weapons that Obama gave them to kill our own?
Haha what? Source please. This is the biggest pile of bullshit ever.

Weapons came into Libya from neighboring nations.
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Jon Stewart Takes On Conservative Hypocrisy Over Middle Eastern Democracy (VIDEO)


Do these idiots really even listen to themselves? Foreign policies under Bush is good. The same foreign policies under Obama is bad. Morons.
great video. Its very true, GOP play horrible politics when it comes to foreign policy, its a disgrace.
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I enjoyed Sam Harris' take on the recent Shenanigans from the ME:

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At moments like this, we inevitably hear—from people who don’t know what it’s like to believe in paradise—that religion is just a way of channeling popular unrest. The true source of the problem can be found in the history of western aggression in the region. It is our policies, rather than our freedoms, that they hate. I believe that the future of liberalism—and much else—depends on our overcoming this ruinous self-deception. Religion only works as a pretext for political violence because many millions of people actually believe what they say they believe: that imaginary crimes like blasphemy and apostasy are killing offenses.
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