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Old 04-05-2013, 03:17 PM   #106
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Theyre not comparable. They are worse here. Although its beyond dispute that women have more "rights" here from a legal perspective, the majority of eastern and middle eastern countrys consider violence against women and children to be criminal. Even if Afghanistan, its illegal pretty much everywhere. Its just certain tribal areas that adhere to extremist religous law where this sort of thing is tolerated... yet, ignorant americans act like the whole middle east is represented by those small, isolated areas. The fact remains that violence against women is universal problem. No matter what the country, some men mistreat women becuase they're @ssholes. I would imagine most abusers "justifiy" their actions to themselves for varoius reasons. The only difference in the situation described in the CNN article is that the @ssholes feel they are justified because of their religious laws.
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Old 04-05-2013, 03:22 PM   #107
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I think we do get outraged here, but the point is, its culturely acceptable in the Middle East. Its clearly not here.

But like I said before, violence against women is actually a small part of equality rights of women over there. Violence is the end result, kinda like my article. There was an honor attempted killing only because the woman had no choice or say in the matter of who she could be with.
Thats a false, ignorant, and racist statement.

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No, you are wrong. You mistakenly are equating women's civil rights with tolerance of violence against women. No one questions that women have far less civil rights in middle eastern countries. But those same countries have laws which consider attacks on women to be criminal.

On the flip side, women have equal civil rights with men in the US, but that doesnt make them any safer from domestic violence. Men mistreating women is a universal problem. There are small communities all over the world where men can essentially do what they want to women with impunity, but those pockets are not representative of the society as a whole.

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Old 04-05-2013, 03:57 PM   #108
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If its culturaly acceptable there then their culture sucks boils on a red baboons ass.
They are medieval thinking dirtbags.
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Old 04-05-2013, 04:35 PM   #109
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If its culturaly acceptable there then their culture sucks boils on a red baboons ass.
They are medieval thinking dirtbags.
For the very small tribal pockets of Afghanistan that are ruled by religious extremists, you are right. But that culture is not representative of the majority of Afghanistan or the middle east. Chico's comments reflect ignorance at best.
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For the very small tribal pockets of Afghanistan that are ruled by religious extremists, you are right. But that culture is not representative of the majority of Afghanistan or the middle east. Chico's comments reflect ignorance at best.
Your opinion or a fact? Please post something to substantiate this assertion.

How familiar are you with FGM? It's eerily connected with a particular culture/religion and practiced by their adherents when they emigrate to other countries. If that's not violence against women, I don't know what it is.

FGM FACT SHEET

Not so common in the misogynistic (according to you) US.

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Old 04-05-2013, 06:42 PM   #111
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An example of equal rights and violence against women in Egypt from the political party that put Morsi in power:

In response to a proposed United Nations declaration to condemn violence against women, the Brotherhood issued a statement asserting that wives should not have the right to file legal complaints against their husbands for rape, that daughters should not have the same inheritance rights as sons, and that the husband must have "guardianship" over his wife, recommending the "husband's consent in matters like travel, work or use of contraception."

Obviously this is not an minority but a strong political party whose candidate now leads one of the largest Islamic countries in the world.

And to call someone a racist is a bit much
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And to call someone a racist is a bit much
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Old 04-05-2013, 10:19 PM   #113
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For the very small tribal pockets of Afghanistan that are ruled by religious extremists, you are right. But that culture is not representative of the majority of Afghanistan or the middle east. Chico's comments reflect ignorance at best.
Saudi Arabian women risk arrest and flogging if they are caught driving an automobile.
Women in Iran have been imprisoned because they were caught riding dirt bikes.
That/they/them is one fecked up culture en masse.
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Your opinion or a fact? Please post something to substantiate this assertion.

How familiar are you with FGM? It's eerily connected with a particular culture/religion and practiced by their adherents when they emigrate to other countries. If that's not violence against women, I don't know what it is.

FGM FACT SHEET

Not so common in the misogynistic (according to you) US.
I have posted facts... a whole bunch of them in my previous post. I dont understand how you keep telling me to post something to substantiate my assertation WHEN I ALREADY HAVE. Go back to the previous page.

FGM is exceedingly rare and is viewed as horrific by the vast majority of Muslims. Your trying to racistly assert that the majority muslims/middle eastern culture supports this practice is like saying the majority of American Christians support going to funerals of soldiers with signs that say "God hates fags" because a few extremists do that.
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Your trying to racistly assert .
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Racist? And which 'Race' is islam/moslem?

Once you get that figured out, please come back and I'll set to straight on some other bigoted notions you're stuck on.

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"Racist" is such an awesomely demonized word it works well on many levels.
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Racist? And which 'Race' is islam/moslem?
Its' Muslim, not moslem... or did you deliberately use the pejorative form of the word because of your obvious discrimination and hatred of people of the religion?


Rat and Alvin:

Your hatred of people, regardless of race or religion, who condone abuse of women in all its forms (domestic violence, rape, mutilation, etc.) is morally justified. I'm 100% with you on that. But judging a billion people in the middle east (the majority of whom are muslims) based on the actions/attitudes of a small minority is cookie cutter racism.

You want to say you dont prejudge people of the middle east and only muslims, then you are a "religious discriminator." Its no different than racism and just as ugly.

Islam doesnt teach that its ok to rape and beat women or perform FGM... thats just a small portion of people who happen to live in those countries and claim to be muslim. Judging the majority of people in those countries based on those few is overt discrimination.

How would you feel if someone beleived you were a "god hates fags" soldier funeral protester just because you lived in the US?

Discrimination is ugly in all its forms. Your comments show you are prejudiced against people from the middle east and/or Muslims. Im ashamed that others here seem to share your ignorant and hateful views.

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Old 04-08-2013, 11:41 AM   #118
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Spot on dude, I dont deny any of that.
Congrats, you're a well read bleeding heart.
Sorry, cant get past any of that crap after watching people jump to their deaths from the Trade Center.
I'm not a cheek turner.
Eff all of them.
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Its' Muslim, not moslem... or did you deliberately use the pejorative form of the word because of your obvious discrimination and hatred of people of the religion?
As it's an Arabic word, it's phonetic. It's commonly written that way in older texts. Yes, I mock people of all religions equally.

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Rat and Alvin:

Your hatred of people, regardless of race or religion, who condone abuse of women in all its forms (domestic violence, rape, mutilation, etc.) is morally justified. I'm 100% with you on that. But judging a billion people in the middle east (the majority of whom are muslims) based on the actions/attitudes of a small minority is cookie cutter racism.
You're showing YOUR ignorance and bigotry. Only about 350 million people live in the ME, yet their tenets of faith are wider spread and they are surprisingly vocal. There's a chart for that. Let me know if you'd like to see it?

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You want to say you dont prejudge people of the middle east and only muslims, then you are a "religious discriminator." Its no different than racism and just as ugly.
I have NEVER said that, or wanted to. When people base their life on idiotic intangibles I am free to treat them as I see fit. Show me evidence of a god, I'll apologize.

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Islam doesnt teach that its ok to rape and beat women or perform FGM...
Yet sadly it's their culture that forces them. Shocking that their faith allows it then, no?

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thats just a small portion of people who happen to live in those countries and claim to be muslim. Judging the majority of people in those countries based on those few is overt discrimination.
So you're saying their faith isn't as strong as their bestial urges?

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How would you feel if someone beleived you were a "god hates fags" soldier funeral protester just because you lived in the US?
Anyone who knows me knows that's not the case, I could care less what most people think of me.

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Discrimination is ugly in all its forms. Your comments show you are prejudiced against people from the middle east and/or Muslims. Im ashamed that others here seem to share your ignorant and hateful views.
I'm shocked that people know so little about such an abhorrent cult, we all get surprises every day. Hopefully you'll learn something.

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well, right now the talbian's version of islam says it's cool to recruit 6-10 year olds and turn them into living bombs.

if you haven't seen the first episode of vice (hbo), please check it out. it's like, an actual investigative news show... not worthless/endless opinions or entertainment stories (like fox/cnn/msnbc/etc).
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