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Old 11-09-2012, 02:43 PM   #226
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One point of my post is the generational change in whites. My dad was definitely racist, I wouldn't classify myself as racist, yet I can still do the "I had black friends, or a black fiancee" mentality (which by the way when we went to south Philly together, the comments from blacks to her were so hurtful it wasn't funny, and her dad basically disowned her, until she discovered her blackness and we broke up), but my children, and their friends just don't regard it as an issue.

I do hope that time will heal the scars, as deep as they are, and I imagine that's hope of most everyone in the country.
Progress has been made, is being made and will continue to be made. There are people out who view race as a forefront issue, lord knows I know quite a few black folks with militant mindsets and they are the fringe. My only contention is that the GOP is doing everything it can to harden the resentment of people who share some of their values with comments like "47% are lazy and just want stuff."

You hear about how Kenya West's "George Bush deson't care about black people" was deeply hurtful to Bush and you sympathize with Bush and you decry West's comment and you say to yourself the failure of FEMA under Bush isn't a systematic callousness towards black folks and their plight. Fast forward to now and you watch Mitt Romney vocalize and give credence West's loathsome comments with conviction in that 47% hidden video.

Even now, all you hear the Republicans say is "we need to reach out to minorities, particularly Latinos." As if the African American are less important. You don't particularize, you maximize and you already see that as not happening. If you're going to call yourself the Party of Lincoln and you can't seem to find a way to attract more African Americans there is a serious problem.

The the GOP needs to reflect, reach-out, revitalize to realize gains among minorities. Having the likes of Rubio and all these colored faces is not enough. It's door knocking time. It's time to introduce yourself to a wider community and say hi. Learn about the issues that concerns them and try to address them. Only grace and good will can buy an election in a changing electoral landscape. I hope they do because I would be more than willing to vote for Chris Christie if he didn't come with so much party affiliation baggage. I think he genuinely cares about all people and he is the party's path to electoral success.
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Progress has been made, is being made and will continue to be made. There are people out who view race as a forefront issue, lord knows I know quite a few black folks with militant mindsets and they are the fringe. My only contention is that the GOP is doing everything it can to harden the resentment of people who share some of their values with comments like "47% are lazy and just want stuff."

You hear about how Kenya West's "George Bush deson't care about black people" was deeply hurtful to Bush and you sympathize with Bush and you decry West's comment and you say to yourself the failure of FEMA under Bush isn't a systematic callousness towards black folks and their plight. Fast forward to now and you watch Mitt Romney vocalize and give credence West's loathsome comments with conviction in that 47% hidden video.

Even now, all you hear the Republicans say is "we need to reach out to minorities, particularly Latinos." As if the African American are less important. You don't particularize, you maximize and you already see that as not happening. If you're going to call yourself the Party of Lincoln and you can't seem to find a way to attract more African Americans there is a serious problem.

The the GOP needs to reflect, reach-out, revitalize to realize gains among minorities. Having the likes of Rubio and all these colored faces is not enough. It's door knocking time. It's time to introduce yourself to a wider community and say hi. Learn about the issues that concerns them and try to address them. Only grace and good will can buy an election in a changing electoral landscape. I hope they do because I would be more than willing to vote for Chris Christie if he didn't come with so much party affiliation baggage. I think he genuinely cares about all people and he is the party's path to electoral success.
Fair enough. Well said.
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Old 11-09-2012, 11:19 PM   #228
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Without a doubt it exists on both sides of the playing field. Growing up in the south, I've seen it all, and experience quite a bit of it myself. Try dating somebody outside your race in a southern baptist church. Yeahhhh...lol I've also had this black gentleman (a deacon of a church no doubt) upset that a white guy was in his house. I was there with my g/f visiting one of her friends.

Do I think whites wouldn't vote for Obama because he's black? Sure.

Do I think blacks would vote for Obama solely because he is black? Sure.


When it comes to blacks not voting for whites, well, that's kind of hard to really say since many of the candidates are white. (especially senate/pres) So either they do vote for white people, or they aren't voting at all. I'm sure many don't vote due to the candidate being a white man, but most blacks tend to vote democratic when they do vote.

Why I feel the way I do about racism towards Obama is due to the pure hate and outrage towards his Presidency. I have never seen a President receive the type of hate that Obama has, and it's not even justified. You can tell when there are racial tones or motives when people say things. (like that clip with O' Reilly) One of the key things that many conservatives love pointing out is the welfare. Welfare is such a small fraction of our budget, but they feel that is the driving force behind the down fall of America. You don't hear them complain about the military budget, SS, or even medicare......IT"S THOSE FREE LOADING WELFARE BUMS!! With these people, you know there are racial tones behind it. I hear it all the time. People I know are racists say it, I hear my family members say it, and I know the true underlining behind it all. This is a prime example:

(the irony of this is the guy doesn't even pay taxes...lol)




Going back to the hate that Obama has received. I still don't recall Clinton getting trashed like this when he was elected. This is our future right here.

Racist Teens Forced to Answer for Tweets About the 'Nigger' President

It's pretty sad what these kids said, but the sadder part is that this type of mindset was learned from their parents. Needless to say, these kids will think twice for using social media to broadcast racist comments.


Another idiot. I imagine I wouldn't want the secret service all up in my business.
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Old 11-09-2012, 11:22 PM   #229
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Ok, the lighten the mood up a bit. I have found the best thing ever. One of the most epic rants I've ever heard. This batshit crazy woman had me in tears laughing. I think sane people on all sides of the fence (right/left/middle) can find this amusing...lol


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Sammy, just tell me you didn't lose it like this woman...lol j/k
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Progress has been made, is being made and will continue to be made. There are people out who view race as a forefront issue, lord knows I know quite a few black folks with militant mindsets and they are the fringe. My only contention is that the GOP is doing everything it can to harden the resentment of people who share some of their values with comments like "47% are lazy and just want stuff."

You hear about how Kenya West's "George Bush deson't care about black people" was deeply hurtful to Bush and you sympathize with Bush and you decry West's comment and you say to yourself the failure of FEMA under Bush isn't a systematic callousness towards black folks and their plight. Fast forward to now and you watch Mitt Romney vocalize and give credence West's loathsome comments with conviction in that 47% hidden video.

Even now, all you hear the Republicans say is "we need to reach out to minorities, particularly Latinos." As if the African American are less important. You don't particularize, you maximize and you already see that as not happening. If you're going to call yourself the Party of Lincoln and you can't seem to find a way to attract more African Americans there is a serious problem.

The the GOP needs to reflect, reach-out, revitalize to realize gains among minorities. Having the likes of Rubio and all these colored faces is not enough. It's door knocking time. It's time to introduce yourself to a wider community and say hi. Learn about the issues that concerns them and try to address them. Only grace and good will can buy an election in a changing electoral landscape. I hope they do because I would be more than willing to vote for Chris Christie if he didn't come with so much party affiliation baggage. I think he genuinely cares about all people and he is the party's path to electoral success.
This is a good point. I always thought I would vote for John McCain if he ran for President. He was fairly centrist, he is brilliant, and overall I think would be strong if necessary, but try all routes of diplomacy first. Often those that have been to war, try to avoid war. However, once he started running for President he took the hard-line GOP party issues. Had he not been pandering to the hard core right, he could have had my vote.
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Not only do the GOP have a demographic problem, but now they're starting to have a geographic problem. President Obama lost North Carolina by only 3 points and Georgia...GEORGIA! by 8 points. Consider Obama lost Mississippi by 11 points, but 89% of the white turnout voted Romney. Basically Romney maxed out on a shrinking demo, while the state is turning younger and browner. So the spread in the next presidential election will start to close in many of these southern states that were once reliably red. I see GA, MS, NC, and maybe LA, down the road, becoming battleground states. In each of those southern states, we're starting to see high African-American turnouts.

Point being, immigration legislation alone won't solve all the Republicans problems. The GOP ignores ethnic solidarity. You can't court JUST Latinos and berate African Americans and expect demos to shift your way.

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That said, the country is better off with a stronger and healthy Republican party. I believe that. Too much influence in one party makes for bad legislation and breeds arrogance. But the country is in no mood to vote in politicians who don't want to work and solve problems. We need the GOP to get their shit together and fast.
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Yup, we've still got a lot of work to do.

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Yup, we've still got a lot of work to do.

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Bro, sending drones to blow up people is hard work. Let the guy have a break. How many other people can juggle running a election and bombing people at the same time???

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Bro, sending drones to blow up people is hard work. Let the guy have a break. How many other people can juggle running a election and bombing people at the same time???

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My biggest gripe with the Obama administration. Drone strikes are horrible for long term foreign policy in the mid east...and they're illegal.
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Yup, we've still got a lot of work to do.

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Everyone deserves downtime not to mention the fact that it is possible to walk and chew gum at the some time. The president isn't lazy but you guys go ahead and keep thinking that.
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My biggest gripe with the Obama administration. Drone strikes are horrible for long term foreign policy in the mid east...and they're illegal.
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Based on international law, it is. How can you expect countries to respect our diplomatic actions and requests based on international law(ex. Iran stop developing nukes) if we don't follow those very rules? It's very hypocritical.
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