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Old 01-30-2013, 01:14 PM   #16
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switzerland isn't close to the "lowest" they have 3.8 deaths per capita, ~40% of the US total, and about 1600% more than the UK.
Yes, I am removing 'suicide' from the results.

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I'd also argue that gun deaths are a kind gun violence. I wonder how armed robbery and armed rape stack up vs other countries...
I said 'Violence', to be clear. Gun violence is a subset of violence, clearly, but I said we have less violence than we did.

Turns out the incidents of violent crime increased dramatically after the Aussie gun ban, but who cares about that, eh?

Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:
  • Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
  • During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
  • Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
  • Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
  • At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
  • Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.
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Seattle buyback epic FAIL:

Seven hundred and sixteen guns were collected at Saturday’s gun buyback program in Seattle. But officials say they are disturbed by the large number of private gun buyers the event attracted.

Mayor Mike McGinn says he was shocked by what he describes as the “gaggles” of private gun buyers who showed up to tempt people away from the long lines and gift cards and offer them cash for their weapons.


“We had a gun bazaar break out of the streets of Seattle outside of a gun buyback. That was just insane."



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......and it starts ,all over again.
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VIDEO: Dad of Sandy Hook Victim Gives Emotional Remarks on Gun Control, Saying “The Problem Is Not Gun Laws” | Fox News Insider


It's a cold day in hell because I'm posting something from Fox news. This is a emotional speech given by Mark Mattioli. His son was killed in the Sandy Hook tragedy, and I applaud his thoughts on the issue.
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VIDEO: Dad of Sandy Hook Victim Gives Emotional Remarks on Gun Control, Saying “The Problem Is Not Gun Laws” | Fox News Insider


It's a cold day in hell because I'm posting something from Fox news. This is a emotional speech given by Mark Mattioli. His son was killed in the Sandy Hook tragedy, and I applaud his thoughts on the issue.

Out of the 27 dead in Sandy Hook school shooting how many family and friends of the victims do feel the need for better gun control?
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VIDEO: Dad of Sandy Hook Victim Gives Emotional Remarks on Gun Control, Saying “The Problem Is Not Gun Laws” | Fox News Insider


It's a cold day in hell because I'm posting something from Fox news. This is a emotional speech given by Mark Mattioli. His son was killed in the Sandy Hook tragedy, and I applaud his thoughts on the issue.

Gabrielle Giffords' Emotional Plea for Senate 'Courage' on Gun Control - ABC News

....and I applaud hers being a victim herself ,she and her husband are both gun owners.
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....and I applaud hers being a victim herself ,she and her husband are both gun owners.
"Violence is a big problem. Too many children are dying. Too many children. We must do something. It will be hard, but the time is now. You must act. Be bold, be courageous, Americans are counting on you. Thank you," Giffords said before being helped out of the hearing room.

Then you'll applaud pretty much anything as nothing of substance, yet again, got said.
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I think I see a problem:

Man killed mother at 14 years old, was sent to mental hospital, released at 21 and was able to buy 15 GUNS.

A young man who was convicted of shooting his mother to death as a teen and sent to a mental hospital for years was still able to buy 15 guns once he was released.

Chris Oberender was convicted of killing his mother in 1995 when he was 14-years-old, and he was sentenced to a mental hospital until he was 21-years-old.

Now he is awaiting jail in Minnesota for buying illegal firearms since he is banned from owning guns because he is a convicted felon.
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I think I see a problem:

Man killed mother at 14 years old, was sent to mental hospital, released at 21 and was able to buy 15 GUNS.

A young man who was convicted of shooting his mother to death as a teen and sent to a mental hospital for years was still able to buy 15 guns once he was released.

Chris Oberender was convicted of killing his mother in 1995 when he was 14-years-old, and he was sentenced to a mental hospital until he was 21-years-old.

Now he is awaiting jail in Minnesota for buying illegal firearms since he is banned from owning guns because he is a convicted felon.
I agree. We need to start with universal background checks so someone can't just go to a private dealer for their guns with little to no oversight. Even if he had a forged license, a private dealer wouldn't be able to tell.
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Whats happening right now is insane. I really hope someone is making a documentary or record of it. The amount of guns sold while Obama has been president is..... unpresidented (sorry, I know lame). Things have been even crazier most recently:
  • Month to month sales from October to November increased by 25%, after Obama’s most recent win.
  • In December sales increased by 39%, likely due to Christmas, Obama, Sandy Hook, UN treaty, and Feinstein.
  • In January they dropped from December’s all time high by 10%, yet were still higher than any other point in history (but only because of supply).
  • These numbers are based off of background checks only. So private sales and sales where a person buys multiple guns at a time are not included.
  • Walmart, Dicks and others have even stopped selling certain firearms – yet without some of the biggest retailers participating demand remains incredibly strong
  • Gun prices have sky rocketed (where’s Obama when you need him???)
  • Ammo is non-existent (3 box limit EVERYWHERE)
  • Mags are even harder to get
  • The NRA is MONTHS behind processing membership (when you call them the prerecorded message says “Because of assaults on your Second Amendment rights you may experience significant weight periods”)
Ive bought/sold/traded a lot of guns in the past month or so and its been pretty crazy. Im getting rid of junk for prices I should never be able to get. I would say its primarily mob mentality, people thinking they’ll never be able to buy a particular item again or people thinking they will never be able to make private purchases again. Its becoming a status or hipster/trendy thing too, everyone wants an AR or a Glock like everyone wants the latest Apple product.

But whats extra crazy is that shit like bb guns or firearms that will never be banned are flying off the shelves too. Everyone is just buying buying buying right now. It feels completely like a bubble but the only problem is I dont think gun manufactures have the ability to produce enough guns to satisfy the demand any time soon. Because of this I feel like newly produce firearms are going to be restocked at higher prices, so these currently high prices may be somewhat supported indefinitely.

Previous bubbles in history all seem to be primarily driven by greed; housing, dot com, beanie babies, tulips, etc. This is driven almost entirely by fear. Most people arnt buying because they think the gun will be worth more one day, theyre buying because they think they may never be able to get one again – or get one without monitoring controls. I think consensus greed is irrational, im not so sure about consensus fear.

I just want to make these comments because I find the gun market absolutely fascinating right now. I would love to hear other people’s thoughts.



FBI Reports Record Gun Sales Last Month — Up 1 Million over December 2011
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"Violence is a big problem. Too many children are dying. Too many children. We must do something. It will be hard, but the time is now. You must act. Be bold, be courageous, Americans are counting on you. Thank you," Giffords said before being helped out of the hearing room.

Then you'll applaud pretty much anything as nothing of substance, yet again, got said.


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...........opinions everyone has one.
As substantive as Gabby Johnson's speech in Blazing Saddles.

You've yet to explain, GiantOne, what solution was offered up by these new Anti-gun Saints.
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As substantive as Gabby Johnson's speech in Blazing Saddles.

You've yet to explain, GiantOne, what solution was offered up by these new Anti-gun Saints.
So the solution of the right wing gun nuts is......MORE GUNS!!!What more can be said ?
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