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Old 02-13-2013, 04:11 PM   #16
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Not sure how other cities are, but every single one of my black friends that are male have been pulled over at least three times for dwb. This city's minority population (the Latino population is technically about to become majority) has a general distrust of the LAPD.
Yup. I get that and it seems, from the reaction to the consent order being lifted in 2009, this is still a concern. The black population's distrust of the Baltimore City PD is just as endemic and, I believe, equally well founded.

As with all things, especially where race and power are concerned, things change slowly. We are still only a generation or two away from a time when overt racism was acceptable to a majority of the US population.
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I love these people who craw out from under a rock after something happens. If he is man enough to come now why not when this happened?
Jesus H christ FD, did you not even read it? I don't even know why I bother .....I think JR covered the fact he's wrote a book about his events long before this.
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Yup. I get that and it seems, from the reaction to the consent order being lifted in 2009, this is still a concern. The black population's distrust of the Baltimore City PD is just as endemic and, I believe, equally well founded.

As with all things, especially where race and power are concerned, things change slowly. We are still only a generation or two away from a time when overt racism was acceptable to a majority of the US population.
Good observation- agreed.
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^^^^^ Dayummmm ... that's just not right.
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Old 02-15-2013, 10:29 AM   #23
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LOL. You post tripe from a "ex" girlfriend as a character assassination? Wow...lol

No offense JR, but judicial system is just as complicit and crooked as the cops. Judges and lawyers are bought off all the time and to think otherwise is simply being naive. Being paranoid doesn't make you wrong, and who's the say that this girlfriend isn't some lunatic that wants revenge on her ex?

Furthermore, I'm absolutely sick and ****ing tired of every time somebody exposes something, they are "deranged" or "crazy". You know what's crazy? Allowing corrupt cops and lawyers to continue running a corrupt system where the cops can do whatever they want and nothing happen.



Executed. Yet this cop was cleared.

Wrongful-death lawsuit filed against LA County Sheriff's Department in fatal shooting | abc7.com



How many cops were sentenced for this?



None.


I believe Dorner more than I do crooked cops and judges, who continue to cover up crimes commited by LA law enforcers.
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You can use your ignore button and it won't hurt my feelings. Maybe if you read my other post you would see I correct what I said.

Stop being butthurt because I call you out on not reading the article. It's about as bad as Goat giving his thoughts on the game and didn't even seen it yet.
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^^^^^ Dayummmm ... that's just not right.
You know what else isn't right? The fact those cops set the building on fire and executed him. You can listen to the radio sequence and hear it yourself. That's exactly the kind of shit he was talking about and they proved him right.
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LOL. You post tripe from a "ex" girlfriend as a character assassination? Wow...lol

... Being paranoid doesn't make you wrong, and who's the say that this girlfriend isn't some lunatic that wants revenge on her ex?
I posted it to show that perhaps, just perhaps, the individual involved was not entirely stable and more than a little delusional. Her statements seem consistent with his rambling, paranoid manifesto and his actions, i.e., rolling up on cops sitting in their car - not LAPD mind you - and opening fire on them after killing the daughter of the guy that defended him. Rather than simply dismiss her as a vindictive ex, find me statements, any statements, of someone who knew him at or near the time of the incidents in question that (1) contradict her characterizations; (2) indictate his actions were completely out character; and/or (3) supports the specific facts presented in his manifesto. I have seen no one, not a single soul who was familiar with him, state that he has been mischaracterized as a delusional, paranoid murderer.

Your inherent prejudices are obvious. You instantly credit the word of a murderer who leaves a twenty page rant but call an ex-girlfriend's allegations "tripe" even though they are facially no more or less credible than his. I found nothing in her statements that seemed overly vindictive or angry - just the statements of a scared ex. Why are her statements instantly discredited by you? Why are they to be accorded so little weight? B/c she is an ex-girlfriend? No, because she disagrees with your perception. Of course, had she blamed the other officers or given a statement in accord with your beliefs, I have no doubt she would have gain instant credibility in your eyes and cited in support of your position. In and of themselves, her statements are proof of nothing, but, in light of Dorner's own words and actions, I find them much more convincing than not of his delusional world view.

As to "being wrong", I do not assert that the LAPD is not still having issues - just as itventop mentioned - at the same time, federal oversight was removed b/c of the strides made and as observed by independent federal investigators. Is that conclusive? of course not, but it should be seen for what it was - non-LAPD investigators finding actual improvement. Did you read the Rampart Report? the original Consent Decree? or the ruling of Judge Feess?

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No offense JR, but judicial system is just as complicit and crooked as the cops. Judges and lawyers are bought off all the time and to think otherwise is simply being naive. ...

Furthermore, I'm absolutely sick and ****ing tired of every time somebody exposes something, they are "deranged" or "crazy". You know what's crazy? Allowing corrupt cops and lawyers to continue running a corrupt system where the cops can do whatever they want and nothing happen.

Executed. Yet this cop was cleared.

How many cops were sentenced for this?

None.
You know, I work in the legal system every day. Have done so for over 20 years now. Although I work in the civil side, I have defended Troopers in tort cases from auto-accidents to excessive force matters. In my over 20 years, and as to the hundreds of legislators, lawyers and judges with whom I have worked, there has never been a situation where I witnessed or even suspected corruption. Stupidity, incompetence and individual dishonesty - yup. Is this proof that corruption is non-existent? of course not. It is, to me anyway, proof that it is not as pervasive as some folks tend to think.

As for the anecdotal cases you bring forward, you may be right - they may be just as bad as you suggest. There may, of course, be another side to the story - one which doesn't fit into a 10 minute youtube clip and which you would undoubtedly & instantly discredit b/c it would most likely contradict with your world view that cops are guilty of any and all alleged corruption and evil until their innocence is proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

I have no idea if police are being sanctioned more or less than they were 10, 20 or 30 years ago. I googled it and didn't see anything that looked like a legitmate comprehensive study on the issue. Everyday, however, their are literally 1000's of interactions between civilians and law enforcement. Undoubtedly, there will be wrongs committed and, equally undoubtedly, police brutality and corruption are real things. However, it does seem to me that, in this day and age of cell phones and videos, the public actions of police are under more scrutiny than they have ever been before. I also know from my professional interactions with police departments and police officers that there are more and more safeguards put in place against the abuse of authority than there were even 10 years ago. To be clear, I consider that a good thing.

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I believe Dorner more than I do crooked cops and judges, who continue to cover up crimes commited by LA law enforcers.
Of course you do - he may be a murderer, but he is a murderer who preaches to your choir so he must be right. To me, based on the entirety of his ramblings and his murderous actions, I find him to be an individual who perceptions are deeply and inherently flawed and, thus, find his words to carry as much weight as the paper on which they are printed and no more.
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You know what else isn't right? The fact those cops set the building on fire and executed him. You can listen to the radio sequence and hear it yourself. That's exactly the kind of shit he was talking about and they proved him right.
I can't listen at work but will at home. I will reserve comment until then.
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Rather than simply dismiss her as a vindictive ex,
I didn't dismiss her as a vindictive ex. I simply posed the possibility of her being one.

"and who's the say that this girlfriend isn't some lunatic that wants revenge on her ex?"


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Your inherent prejudices are obvious. You instantly credit the word of a murderer who leaves a twenty page rant but call an ex-girlfriend's allegations "tripe" even though they are facially no more or less credible than his.
Considering there has been other cases and other people that back up his claims of corruption(I even posted one), I'll take his word on this subject. Even if he is deranged or crazy, his claims are most likely valid considering what we've seen from the LA police.



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In my over 20 years, and as to the hundreds of legislators, lawyers and judges with whom I have worked, there has never been a situation where I witnessed or even suspected corruption. Stupidity, incompetence and individual dishonesty - yup. Is this proof that corruption is non-existent? of course not. It is, to me anyway, proof that it is not as pervasive as some folks tend to think.
Really? Which is why even in this small town I live in, I've heard a current campus cop that has been black balled by the force simply because he called out another cop for excessive force? Mind you, this guy pulled the offending officer to the side and did it in private, and STILL that officers superior and fellow buddies backed him. This guy was such a menace on the force that he had claim after claim about abusive force, yet the department kept sweeping it under the rug allowing it to go on. This same guy caught on camera at one of our football games body slamming a student. (he's no longer allowed to ever work football games)

LiveLeak.com - Police Caught Abusing Fans Who Rushed Field After ECU-WVU Game (comments)

Yes JR, instead of taking a guy like that off the force, they've covered up for him and continued with the foolish "Thin Blue Line" that cops go by. Don't rat your co-workers out even if they are doing wrong.

I don't know what kind of cases you work, but it's not indicative of reality if you don't think officers and cops lie for one another. Also, do you think they are going to tell YOU (a lawyer) the truth?....lol






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Of course you do - he may be a murderer, but he is a murderer who preaches to your choir so he must be right. To me, based on the entirety of his ramblings and his murderous actions, I find him to be an individual who perceptions are deeply and inherently flawed and, thus, find his words to carry as much weight as the paper on which they are printed and no more.
No, he preaches something that's been shown over the course of time that's followed a pattern of corruption and even reflected by another man's book. That's our problem with our system, we've passed off everybody that made a claim as some idiot, nutjob or mental case with a agenda. How about maybe they are correct, and we start implementing videos on ALL cops (much like the Atlanta mall cop) to get the true story.

I have no problems with cops, I have a problem where our system continues to cover up the misdeeds of their officers when they are out line instead of correcting them. As far as federal or other law enforcement agencies investigating it? That's a joke. Goes back to that code they follow. Give me a independent investigation from a team that has no ties or follows no unwritten code. Even if the federal investigations are legit, do you actually think cops are going to testify on other cops? About like our government "investigating" the Wall Street banks....LOLOL
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Old 02-18-2013, 10:43 AM   #29
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Seems the cop was a good shot. One less thug off the street.


"Was he armed? Yes. Is the whole story being told now? No. Let's not forget who has already investigated this: Internal Affairs, Office of Independent Review monitoring that. Homicide Bureau. The District Attorney," said Sheriff's Spokesman Steve Whitmore.

Wrong. They had no finger prints on the gun at all. Secondly, it's clear the guy posed no threat because he was running away, hence he was shot in the back. Two other witnesses were there that say otherwise. Just because they are "cleared" doesn't make them not guilty.

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Segall-Gutierrez says Cuevas' fingerprints were not on the gun the department claims he was carrying, and questions its authenticity.

The fact that the officer stands over him after he is down and shoots again makes this a murder. The story doesn't even make sense either. So the cop wants us to believe that this guy pulled a gun on him, but ran away after he pulled the gun? Nobody in their right mind believes that.

Surveillance video shows deputy shooting of Lynwood man | 89.3 KPCC

Please. FD, have some class man. Calling the guy a thug and shit, yet you have no idea what his record or past is.
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You know, I work in the legal system every day. Have done so for over 20 years now. Although I work in the civil side, I have defended Troopers in tort cases from auto-accidents to excessive force matters. In my over 20 years, and as to the hundreds of legislators, lawyers and judges with whom I have worked, there has never been a situation where I witnessed or even suspected corruption. Stupidity, incompetence and individual dishonesty - yup. Is this proof that corruption is non-existent? of course not. It is, to me anyway, proof that it is not as pervasive as some folks tend to think.
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I edited a lot of your stuff out so that I could focus on this statement. Corruption avoids honest workers like the plague. No one is going to give a hint of something unlawful or corrupt in front of you, because you would report it - and they know it. I know you aren't a "goody two shoes" but your ethics are pretty straight forward and no one would begin to bring you into any of those type conversations.

There are more than enough reported cases to say that the fact that it hasn't crossed your path in over 20 years mainly says that those who are carrying it on simply make an effort to exclude you from any involvement, even tangentially.
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