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Old 03-04-2013, 07:53 PM   #61
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Answer: None.

It made it hard? You mean how the kid that got on board a airplane with a shoe bomb? TSA agents have been nothing but a menace since their creation. Groping women, harassing kids and other passengers has been their specialty, not stopping terrorists.

TSA Agents Harass Three-Year-Old with Spina Bifida, Take Away Her Stuffed Animal

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You give our incompetent enforcement agencies way too much credit.


Security is Big Business at Super Bowl XLVII - Forbes

We don't need to be involved with security for the Super Bowl, the NFL makes 9+ billion a year, let them handle it.


Well, those departments you named were their prior to the HS department being formed so no. I have a huge issue with pouring billions of dollars into "security" when it's not protecting us from shit. Again, I'm not talking about agencies that existed prior to 9/11.
Well since the Coast Guard performs a lot of port and border security for Homeland Defense I reassert my stance that you are a loon and dont know WTF you are talking about. You dont know who or what Homeland defense is. And your NFL comment just cements that.
Or do you just drink a lot....cause that would explain it.
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:19 PM   #62
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Well since the Coast Guard performs a lot of port and border security for Homeland Defense I reassert my stance that you are a loon and dont know WTF you are talking about. You dont know who or what Homeland defense is. And your NFL comment just cements that.
Or do you just drink a lot....cause that would explain it.

Apparently you didn't understand anything I said. The Department of Homeland Security did NOT exist before 9/11. The Coast Guard, TSA, and some of the other sub groups did exist before 9/11. Get rid of Homeland Security, and move those groups back to where they came from.


How hard is that to understand? Fact is, funding is being put into Homeland Security that wouldn't have if the department was never created.

Again, you have YET to show many any god damn results for all these terrorists we've stopped, which is EXACTLY why the Homeland Security was created for.

What's the problem with the NFL comment? I don't want my ****ing tax dollars being spent guarding some private organization's event. I don't give a flying **** who's playing in that game. We have NO business spending any money providing security for the Super Bowl.

I wouldn't call anybody a loon that posts pictures of dolls in freezers. I'd be more than happy to wager that most people think YOU are the loon, not me.
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NC_Skins I agree on the Homeland Security funding. While there may be some slight gain in the consolidation, the bureaucracy created is just ridiculous.

I disagree about the Superbowl though. I get that it is a privately sponsored event, but it is an international spectacle, and a giant target of US opulence and excess. So I can understand some level of federal assistance in the security. Protecting the population one of the reasonable duties of the federal government.
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Old 03-04-2013, 10:09 PM   #64
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FD and AW why do you two insist on calling posters and those who disagree with you names? Can't you make your case without resorting to that?

Just curious.
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Please find post where I call people names. I just called NC a loom joking around. I guess I should have put JK after it but find another example. If anything I get called the names but you seem to miss that.
Well, my comment was directly following the loon comment(which I didn't see as a joke), and if you don't normally I apologize for the generalized statement.

That said, one of the worst parts of our political society now, imo, is the lack of respectful discussion, instead turning to name calling, or partisan demagoguery. I just wonder if at the discussions of the Federalist papers, if the politicians and civil society of that day were as disrespectful as we as a rule are now.
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Old 03-05-2013, 10:34 AM   #67
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I disagree about the Superbowl though. I get that it is a privately sponsored event, but it is an international spectacle, and a giant target of US opulence and excess. So I can understand some level of federal assistance in the security. Protecting the population one of the reasonable duties of the federal government.

If you end the Blue Angels, fly overs, you have to end this as well. A terrorist can do the exact same damage at any college, NBA, NHL game my friend. Our tax payer money doesn't need to be spent on the NFL, the NFL needs to spend that money. If you are in favor of spending the money for this, then by default, you have to agree to spend it at EVERY single event that has a large assembly. (concerts, NBA games, college games, NHL)

It's a HUGE waste of spending.
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Tons of money to be had for Blue Angel fuel right here.

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I don't agree that the SB is equivalent to a college football game or other large event. But I will compromise, any event that draws over 100Million viewers and over 5000 world journalists, on US soil, the government will help address security issues, anything less and they are on their own.

On the other hand, if it was announced that the NFL was required to fund security, or even reimburse govt expenditures, I would be ok with that as well.
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Tons of money to be had for Blue Angel fuel right here.

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ok, but sure seems still like you are willing to take money out of the hands of others that could use a hand up, rather than make a small sacrifice of something that you yourself acknowledged was a pride issue, not defense of the country. (I could argue that many people find great national pride in the compassion and help the US is known for, ie after the Haiti earthquake).
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ok, but sure seems still like you are willing to take money out of the hands of others that could use a hand up, rather than make a small sacrifice of something that you yourself acknowledged was a pride issue, not defense of the country. (I could argue that many people find great national pride in the compassion and help the US is known for, ie after the Haiti earthquake).

Thats because I'm not a bleeding heart liberal.
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how much could we save by canning the F-22 and half of the military software contracts that are outdated before they even get completed?
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and can we stop talking about cuts to future spending as if their the same thing as budget cuts?

our country is "making cuts" yet the debt and spending are still going up. that's stupid.
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At this point when we give foreign aid we are giving away money we have to borrow or easier said we don't have. Its time we stop this crap. I don't have a problem providing man power to places like Haiti for a period of time but it stops there.
And I can agree with this in principle, just like I agree in principle to the NFL paying for the SB security, and the suspension of BA/TB air shows. But, as That Guy pointed out by asking about the F-22, the list of Foreign aid/SB sec/BA-TB shows are piddling around the edges. You can cut all foreign aid 100% (reduce it to 0) and we would still be spending at a deficit. Defense (serious programs) and Welfare both need to be re-vamped and brought in line with what our intake affords, and if we need to increase our intake from the top 1%, then they need to put it in.

Question (i don't know the answer) has anyone ever thought of allowing tax dollars to be earmarked? ie you can designate %'s for major categories, defense, welfare, maybe 3 or 4 others top level line items? I imagine it would be book keeping hell but it would be interesting to see where people want their money to go, and then have a percentage off the top that is designated for SS, and Debt repayment. Even if we can't do it on the real taxes, it would be an interesting study if conducted properly. (I am pretty sure there is an internet equivalent, but I would want a solid firm conducting it if I were to trust the results)
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I don't agree that the SB is equivalent to a college football game or other large event. But I will compromise, any event that draws over 100Million viewers and over 5000 world journalists, on US soil, the government will help address security issues, anything less and they are on their own.

Stop buying into this whole "Al Qaeda" boogeyman.

These Guantánamo files undo the al-Qaida myth machine | Jason Burke | Comment is free | The Guardian

The media and our government love using fear as a tool to continue their stupid spending in the military.


Answer this, when has a terrorist ever attacked a highly viewed event? The Super Bowl doesn't need to be covered. Period. End of story. Why? Because it's the highest rated show in the world? Who cares? Why is this deemed a "level 1"? Because a bunch of rich assholes and celebrities are attending? Meanwhile, the same attack can be done at any other venue I suggested.

Spending this type of money is beyond foolish, it's reckless. These people are just playing on the fears and ignorance of its people.
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