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Old 03-05-2013, 02:04 PM   #76
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Stop buying into this whole "Al Qaeda" boogeyman.

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The media and our government love using fear as a tool to continue their stupid spending in the military.


Answer this, when has a terrorist ever attacked a highly viewed event? The Super Bowl doesn't need to be covered. Period. End of story. Why? Because it's the highest rated show in the world? Who cares? Why is this deemed a "level 1"? Because a bunch of rich assholes and celebrities are attending? Meanwhile, the same attack can be done at any other venue I suggested.

Spending this type of money is beyond foolish, it's reckless. These people are just playing on the fears and ignorance of its people.
I think we can agree to disagree. You always look for high value targets, why were the twin towers attacked, why were the Olympics targeted in 72, why did we hit Hiroshima, why did Washington cross the Delaware. The answer is always, the target would make a statement and an impact. Hitting a mid level college bowl might cause a stir, but not worth the retaliation it would bring, but pulling off an attack at the US's grandest stage, which the SB surely is, would show a level of sophistication of the enemy attack and question the US' vulnerabilities.

Don't get me wrong, I understand that politicians and media drive law and legislation by fear mongering. We are truly living in the Orwellian state right now, where once our enemy was our friend, and that whether there is a war to left or a war to the right, just don't look to closely at the political machine that continually shuffles the target.
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Stop buying into this whole "Al Qaeda" boogeyman.

These Guantánamo files undo the al-Qaida myth machine | Jason Burke | Comment is free | The Guardian

The media and our government love using fear as a tool to continue their stupid spending in the military.


Answer this, when has a terrorist ever attacked a highly viewed event? The Super Bowl doesn't need to be covered. Period. End of story. Why? Because it's the highest rated show in the world? Who cares? Why is this deemed a "level 1"? Because a bunch of rich assholes and celebrities are attending? Meanwhile, the same attack can be done at any other venue I suggested.

Spending this type of money is beyond foolish, it's reckless. These people are just playing on the fears and ignorance of its people.
NC_Skins. This is the issue with a lot of our spending. For the most part, worrying about security is useless. However, it only takes one breach for it to become a big deal and to have a massive effect on our country.

Overall, I do agree with you. However, I also understand how it is a difficult decision to make. If you leave these events wide open, and something happens, what do you do then?
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Old 03-05-2013, 02:13 PM   #78
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You have no clue. Welfare spending on its own is above 10% then you have programs within other areas that are really welfare.





Under health care falls programs for lower income.
Education has programs for low income.

Also, it dawned on me that you have the wrong chart displayed. This is a chart displaying ALL the spending (fed/state/local) and not just federal. The real chart is here.

US Fed Spending Pie Chart for 2013 - Charts



Military spending 24% compared to Welfare's 11% and 23% in pensions.


Here are the actual numbers.

US Federal Budget FY13 Estimated Spending Breakdown - Pie Chart
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I have always thought if person does not think we pay enough in taxes then they can just write a check and send it to the federal goverment. Just add an addtional line to tax returns to write in what you feel you should pay in addition to what you paid over the year. Also why would anyone put more money into SS because there is no guarantee anyone will ever see a penny of the money you contribute.
how about this, base percentages are listed and you can add or subtract up to 5%. SS would for now be a set percentage. Ultimately all the percentages would add up to 100%. So:
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base tax return(italics not changeable):
Def:24% Hlthcare:22% Welfare:12% Education:4% Pensions:22% Interest:6% Other:10%
allowing +/- 5% for a person's discretion:
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Def: 19 Hlth:24 Welfare 14 Ed: 5 Other:10 P&I 28
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Def 29 Hlth:20 Welfare 9 ed 4 other 10 P&I 28
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Def 29 Hlth:22 Welfare 7 Ed 4 other 10 P&I 28
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Def 22 Hlth 22 Welfare 12 Ed 6 other 10 P&I 28

Obviously this is purely a simplistic example, but it wouldn't be any harder to implement then the rest of the boondoggle that is the US tax code

(enter slinging sammy with fair tax discussion)
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allowing +/- 5% for a person's discretion:
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Def: 19 Hlth:24 Welfare 14 Ed: 5 Other:10 P&I 28

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Def: 22 Hlth: 22 Welfare: 12 Ed: 6 other 10 P&I" 28

Not sure why you think I want welfare raised. I don't. I'm just sick and tired of hearing how the welfare (aka..food stamps) is killing this country, when in fact, it plays very little in the grand scheme of things. I'm willing to bet you right now, if I were to do a poll with every single conservative friend I have, I bet you that the majority of them would list Welfare is the #1 issue. Also, when it comes down to it, I'd rather feed somebody than bomb them.

If anything, our citizens are too stupid and I'd rather spend that money on education.

Def 15 Hlth 25 Welfare 12 Ed 10 other: 10 P&I 28

Things I would increase:

NASA - increase by 3 billion


Things I would end:

Oil subsidies: (account for 4-5 billion each year)

Farm subsidies: (in most cases) save about 5 billion a year



I know slashing the military that much seems drastic, but I'm in favor of pulling all of our bases and bring back our men/women to defend our own country. We don't need to be world police, and should intervene if people ask us to. We don't need brand new air craft carriers at this point, we don't any new jets at this point. We can use these guys to fortify our borders. Even slashing it to 15% would still have us spending way more than anybody else in the world. Including China, who currently has the largest army in the world.
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Not sure why you think I want welfare raised. I don't. I'm just sick and tired of hearing how the welfare (aka..food stamps) is killing this country, when in fact, it plays very little in the grand scheme of things. I'm willing to be you right now, if I were to do a poll with every single conservative friend I have, I bet you that the majority of them would list Welfare is the #1 issue. Also, when it comes down to it, I'd rather feed somebody than bomb them.

If anything, our citizens are too stupid and I'd rather spend that money on educated.

Def 15 Hlth 25 Welfare 12 Ed 10 other: 10 P&I 28

Things I would increase:

NASA - increase by 3 billion


Things I would end:

Oil subsidies: (account for 4-5 billion each year)

Farm subsidies: (in most cases) save about 5 billion a year



I know slashing the military that much seems drastic, but I'm in favor of pulling all of our bases and bring back our men/women to defend our own country. We don't need to be world police, and should intervene if people ask us to. We don't need brand new air craft carriers at this point, we don't any new jets at this point. We can use these guys to fortify our borders. Even slashing it to 15% would still have us spending way more than anybody else in the world. Including China, who currently has the largest army in the world.
I just put off the cuff numbers had I thought more I would have upped ed for you.

its weird that I can agree with slashing defense yet disagree about how. I do agree about bringing nearly all troops back, and putting leading tech projects on hold, but I would absolutely maintain airforce and navy forces and train for defense of vital airways and sealanes.

I also find your increasing NASA interesting.
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There's plenty of money that could be shifted from military to NASA (military and non-military uses).

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Right before the sequester happend i heard a guy on a the radio say something really funny. He said, if your family needs to cut a few percent from their budget you would cut out dinning, or a cable package, or even a cell phone plan. Obama on the other hand is selling this as you should stop feeding the baby and putting gas in your car.

Meanwhile, since things arnt going nearly as bad as Obama had scared us into believing they would:

Email tells feds to make sequester as painful as promised - Washington Times



GOP Congressman Makes CDC Director Squirm After Confronting Him on Childrens Vaccine Cuts: Let Me Get This Straight | Video | TheBlaze.com

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Under the president's cut of $58 million...you think you could get around that to avoid cutting vaccines to children. But under a sequester [of $30 million], you don't know if you can do that?"
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One youtube comment: "It's just funny how many times the answer to simple questions was "I'll have to get back to you on that." A euphemism that means "I won't answer that question."
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This President will do anything to get his way even if it means running this country into the ground. The Dems are also playing the race card.
Democrats pull out race card in sequester game - Washington Times

The Washington Times,really?
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Whats really sad is that the economic policies of Democrat seem to have the largest impact of negitively affecting the majority of minorities.

Here is a great documentry about the Democratic Plantation:

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I've heard of farm subsidies but never heard oil subsidies. Your saying we are paying companies to not drill oil? Also you keep seperating welfare into food stamps when its much more then that. Its extends into education, health care, housing, etc...
We subsidize oil by leasing the land dirt cheap between $2-$10 per an acre. Pay for roads and infrastructure to drilling sites and provide free geological information via the USGS. In places where American companies are drilling in foreign countries we pay for security military or private. The estimate is if we quite using tax payer dollars for oil production the cost would be about $10/gallon. Obviously we are not an economy that could sustain prices that high so we need to have some oil subsidies to maintain the economy.
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For your first question I would guess it is to provide gasoline, petrochemicals and plastics affordable to everyone. The law for leasing mining and drilling rights on public land dates back to the 1890s and was never adjusted until the 1990s. I too would guess that it is to keep oil competitive. In 2006 it costs $2 to produce a barrel of oil in Saudi Arabia and it cost between $30 and $45 in Canada/Alaska. Regardless with prices at $90 per a barrel someone is making a huge profit, but not subsidizing it would make it less profitable and costs American jobs.
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The Department of Housing and Urban Development will furlough all 9,000 employees for 7 days between May, August. Sequestration 2013: HUD to furlough all 9,000 employees for seven days | WJLA.com
Retweeted by Yahoo! News

I hate it for the individual employees, but if you are in favor of reducing govt (which I am), these stories will be more prevalent.
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