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Old 03-06-2013, 04:11 PM   #31
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Yesterday you didn't seem to understand why the NFL gets security provided until I posted a section of the article from your link. I read averthing you post and all the links you provide.

Are you serious? I understood EXACTLY why, I simply said I didn't agree and thought it should be cut out as well.


Anyways, if you had read the comment, you'd find out a viewpoint from a Venezuelan, and it wasn't all that pleasant.
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Old 03-06-2013, 04:38 PM   #32
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Are you serious? I understood EXACTLY why, I simply said I didn't agree and thought it should be cut out as well.


Anyways, if you had read the comment, you'd find out a viewpoint from a Venezuelan, and it wasn't all that pleasant.
You men the 10 reason why he won't miss him.
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:47 PM   #33
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Attacks against the person are the resort of those who have no real argument.
Then you'll recall you were the first to throw an insult my way*.

Hypocrite much?

* Long time ago.
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Old 03-06-2013, 08:20 PM   #34
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World leaders pay tribute to Hugo Chavez as wave of grief washes over Latin America
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Old 03-06-2013, 08:28 PM   #35
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so, when is this getting locked? seems like it's about that time.
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Old 03-07-2013, 03:38 AM   #36
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I wonder if Dennis Rodman is going to the funneral?

???,or do you mean Joe Kennedy?

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Beginning in 2005, Citgo Petroleum Company (Citgo), a wholly owned subsidiary of Petróleos de Venezuela (PDVSA) — the Venezuelan state-owned oil company — has been the primary donor of heating oil to Citizens Energy. The Wall Street Journal and others criticized Citizens Energy for continuing its relationship with the Venezuelan government and Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez, a harsh critic of U.S. President George W. Bush.[42] In response, Kennedy and others[43][44] have argued that it is hypocritical to criticize a non-profit organization for accepting oil from Venezuela while numerous other American businesses are profiting from robust trade with Venezuela and at a time when the U.S. government has cut low-income fuel assistance.[45]
During the last two years, Citgo donated eighty-three million gallons of oil, which was used to provide heating assistance to an estimated 200,000 families a year in twenty-three states.[46]
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Old 03-07-2013, 10:54 AM   #37
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???,or do you mean Joe Kennedy?

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Beginning in 2005, Citgo Petroleum Company (Citgo), a wholly owned subsidiary of Petróleos de Venezuela (PDVSA) — the Venezuelan state-owned oil company — has been the primary donor of heating oil to Citizens Energy. The Wall Street Journal and others criticized Citizens Energy for continuing its relationship with the Venezuelan government and Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez, a harsh critic of U.S. President George W. Bush.[42] In response, Kennedy and others[43][44] have argued that it is hypocritical to criticize a non-profit organization for accepting oil from Venezuela while numerous other American businesses are profiting from robust trade with Venezuela and at a time when the U.S. government has cut low-income fuel assistance.[45]
During the last two years, Citgo donated eighty-three million gallons of oil, which was used to provide heating assistance to an estimated 200,000 families a year in twenty-three states.[46]
Well I'm guilty of buying gas from Citgo from time to time so I can't really say anything. Not sure if i view them as a big threat to us.

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Old 03-07-2013, 12:09 PM   #38
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so, when is this getting locked? seems like it's about that time.
Or you could ignore the thread?
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Old 03-07-2013, 04:44 PM   #39
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???,or do you mean Joe Kennedy?

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Beginning in 2005, Citgo Petroleum Company (Citgo), a wholly owned subsidiary of Petróleos de Venezuela (PDVSA) — the Venezuelan state-owned oil company — has been the primary donor of heating oil to Citizens Energy. The Wall Street Journal and others criticized Citizens Energy for continuing its relationship with the Venezuelan government and Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez, a harsh critic of U.S. President George W. Bush.[42] In response, Kennedy and others[43][44] have argued that it is hypocritical to criticize a non-profit organization for accepting oil from Venezuela while numerous other American businesses are profiting from robust trade with Venezuela and at a time when the U.S. government has cut low-income fuel assistance.[45]
During the last two years, Citgo donated eighty-three million gallons of oil, which was used to provide heating assistance to an estimated 200,000 families a year in twenty-three states.[46]

I was in NYC last week and was absolutely SHOCKED when i saw the commercial of Joe Kennedy praising Chavez and the good people of Venezuelan. This was right before Hugo dies so im guessing they just run commercials like that all the time up there? Crazy liberals.
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Old 03-07-2013, 05:12 PM   #40
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Chavez was a socialist whereas Hitler was a fascist, putting them at opposite ends of the ideological spectrum. Chavez never started a world war.
This is why the conventually thought of polotical spectrum shouldnt be called a spectrum. Facism and Socialism are both forms of Statism. If they were ploted on the color spectrum they would both just be different sheens of red, opposite Libertarism violet.
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My original counterpoint was that even though he may have been a hero to some he was a dick to others:

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The weakening of Venezuela’s democratic system of checks and balances under President Hugo Chávez has contributed to a precarious human rights situation. Without judicial checks on its actions, the government has systematically undermined the right to free expression, workers’ freedom of association, and the ability of human rights groups to protect rights.

Not sure why Lotus even bought up ideology other than to divert the conversation to a place he felt comfortable.
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This is why the conventually thought of polotical spectrum shouldnt be called a spectrum. Facism and Socialism are both forms of Statism. If they were ploted on the color spectrum they would both just be different sheens of red, opposite Libertarism violet.

It still amazes me that the Nazis are called "right-wing", and Communism "left-wing". The National Socialist Worker's Party that Hitler ran was left wing, like the Communist parties they fought against as rivals (political opponents in Germany early on, the USSR militarily).
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Nice jpeg....I hope the wrong person doesnt see that.
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Nice jpeg....I hope the wrong person doesnt see that.
Don't know what you mean. Hope nobody thinks the Nazi symbol is complimentary.
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Don't know what you mean. Hope nobody thinks the Nazi symbol is complimentary.
Just tilt your head left or right 45 degrees and, voila, a peace symbol!
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