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Old 09-11-2013, 04:20 PM   #256
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Don't get to excited , yet .

What The Colorado Recall Doesn't Prove | Blog | Media Matters for America


The Gun Laws Supported By Giron And Morse Popular Are Popular Statewide. On March 20, Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper signed three gun violence prevention measures into law: requiring a background check on all gun sales except those between family members, imposing a $10 fee to process background checks, and limiting firearm magazine capacity to 15 rounds. Giron and Morse's support for these measures was the catalyst for the recall efforts. An August 22 poll by Quinnipiac University found that the majority of voters in Colorado approve of the specific pieces of the gun law package -- they expressed support for expanded background checks by an 82 to 16 percent margin and support for the limit on magazine capacity by a 49 to 48 percent margin. While Giron and Morse were defeated, the legislation they support is popular with state voters at large.
The Recall Turnout Was Extremely Low. A very small number of voters determined the recall election. In fact, voter turnout in Morse and Giron's districts were both substantially lower in the recall election compared to the 2010 state senate elections. Only 21 percent of 84,029 registered voters in Morse's district voted in the recall election. A mere 9,094 people voted in favor of recall; he lost his seat by a margin of 343 votes. Turnout was about 11,000 voters higher in Morse's 2010 senate election. Turnout in Giron's district was only 36 percent; 10,000 more people voted in her 2010 Senate election. Deriving national trends from low-turnout recall elections seems unwise.
Efforts To Recall Other Members Who Supported Stronger Gun Laws Failed. Opponents of stronger gun laws didn't intend to recall just Giron and Morse; they originally targeted two other lawmakers as well. But an effort to recall Sen. Evie Hudak was suspended by organizers three weeks before the deadline. And an effort to recall Rep. Mike McLachlan also failed when the Colorado Secretary of State reported that no signatures were turned in before a deadline.
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Old 09-16-2013, 08:57 PM   #257
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(snip awesome news of two politicians being recalled over gun control laws)
Thanks, giantone. This matter about two politicians being recalled for pushing gun control laws, is good news.

The spin on your link is hilarious. Your link said overwhelming majorities were for the gun laws, yet the poll cited says "All voters oppose 54 - 40 percent the stricter new gun control laws which led to the recall effort". And the poll cited said a vast majority was against the recall itself, yet the recall happened and the two anti-gun politicians that pushed the supposedly popular legislation through were recalled.

Colorado (CO) Poll - August 22, 2013 - Colorado Voters Oppose Recall | Quinnipiac University Connecticut

The poll your link cites is baffling itself, again it says "All voters oppose 54 - 40 percent the stricter new gun control laws which led to the recall effort". Yet it cites overwhelming support for one provision (universal background checks), slight margin of support for magazine limits. The poll doesn't say about the $10 fee for background checks. Is the poll hinting that the $10 was the breaking point, to Colorado voters? It does say that most Colorado voters didn't think the new laws would make things safer, which makes the above poll info more puzzling.

This link here:

The Colorado Recalls Explained | The Volokh ConspiracyThe Volokh Conspiracy

which mentions some things your mediamatters link doesn't: like how Bloomberg and anti-gun rights groups outspent their counterparts $3mil to $.5mil. And how one recall was close but the other wasn't.

"Itís one thing for a deliberately polarizing legislator like Morse to lose a close race in a swing district. Itís quite another for Giron to lose by 12 points in a district that is 47% Democratic and 23% Republican. One reason is that in blue collar districts like Pueblo, there are plenty of Democrats who cling to their Second Amendment rights. As the Denver Post noted, 20% of the voters who signed the Giron recall petitions were Democrats.

The Colorado Senate is now 18-17 Democratic, and 19-16 pro-Second Amendment. On gun issues, and on many others, the balance of power is now held by moderate Democrats, rather than by the hard left faction formerly led by Morse."

The volokh link actually proposes that what really doomed the two recalled state senators, isn't the gun control laws. It was that they rammed the law through rather than going through normal procedure of public hearings. Which make the "popular legislation" claim your link makes even more dubious.

Still good news about the recall, so thanks giantone. lol. But I guess the question now is, will any of the new gun control laws be repealed after the next general election, or not?
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Not directly related to the Colorado gun control / pot related poll above, but still funny to me because the aforementioned poll was about marijuana legalization too:

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Old 09-25-2013, 10:40 AM   #259
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For anyone interested in a positive story on gun ownership, Google Nairobi and former Royal Marine. Witnesses said he saved an estimated 100 people or more after returning to the siege more than 10 times.

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Just added a Lasermax to my Glock, now I want a few of these:

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Old 01-25-2014, 09:06 PM   #261
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Thank the NRA his rights were protected ,I would have said thank god but you don't believe in God do you .


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I think that is a rather unfair assertion since MD has some very stringent gun laws that the NRA opposed.
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That's the amusing thing about the States with the most stringent gun control, they see the most gun violence. So 'yay' gun control......

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I think that is a rather unfair assertion since MD has some very stringent gun laws that the NRA opposed.
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No they don't .
New Maryland Firearms Law Rides In On A Wave Of Gun Sales : NPR


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One of the strictest gun laws in the nation went into effect in Maryland on Tuesday. The new law bans assault rifles and high-capacity magazines, and it makes Maryland one of only six states that require handgun purchasers to get fingerprinted and take gun safety courses.



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Not sure who is lying to you, GiantOne, but you may want to check your sources before you post on gun issues. You seem to have a very weak grasp of the facts, or no grasp at all.

It's as if you're being used as a useful idiot to further the gun control lobby's agenda.
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That's the amusing thing about the States with the most stringent gun control, they see the most gun violence. So 'yay' gun control......

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It's a simple fact that liberals cannot understand, yet it's obvious to the criminals. The more you restrict law-abiding citizens from protecting themselves, the easier it is to commit gun violence against them.

Ironically, Chicago is the best example.



"Lets shoot up the mall, no one is allowed to carry a gun in there!"

"Hey, the University is a gun-free zone, not even the security guards are allowed to carry!"

"The teachers won't be able to stop us."

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"If I anything in that place, there will definitely be someone carrying and I won't make very far...better find an easier place to pull it off."


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Old 01-27-2014, 12:19 PM   #268
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Agreed, MonkeyDad. Then you add in the supposed 'Wild West' factor of CCW or better yet counties that encourage open carry.

Streets running with blood? Not so much. Lower violent crime rates. Yes.

For anyone who doubts me, rather than read a link I could place here, find your own information. It may help you make a more informed decision.

There was that one utter psycho recently who shot the dude in a theater for texting, but he was a 71 year-old ex-cop. He probably should have been psych-evaled every 5 years, that would have bought to light his alleged rage issues.
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That's the amusing thing about the States with the most stringent gun control, they see the most gun violence. So 'yay' gun control......

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Rat he happens to be a good friend on mine ,oh yeah and he is a gun dealer. Seems that the idiots are the NRA and the right wing gun nuts he don't agree on gun safety
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NRA-ILA | Maryland

A synopsis of Maryland state laws on purchase, possession and carrying of firearms.

PURCHASE Maryland does not regulate the sale of rifles or shotguns and no permit is required to purchase a rifle or shotgun. Maryland does regulate the sale, transfer, rent and possession of regulated firearms, which consist of handguns and assault weapons. A person who is not a regulated firearms dealer may not sell, rent, transfer, or purchase any regulated firearm without going through a regulated firearms dealer. Alternatively, the prospective seller/transferor and prospective buyer/transferee may complete the transaction through a designated law enforcement agency
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