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Old 05-24-2013, 10:45 PM   #166
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This cartoon assumes several things.

1st, that all religion is true religion.
2nd, that all those who practice religion do so with malice
3rd, That all those who claim to practice the true religion were in support of the actions that clearly violate said religion

From my religionist, Theological, position those who participated in the Crusades were not Christians at all. They may have claimed to be, but were not. If they were, it was a small portion. However, I do not pretend to assume knowledge of a man's heart, at the same time, the acts do not appear to produce fruit.

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^^I find that hilarious considering how many religious leaders have sent troops to die for selfish reasons. Not to mention the war crimes that have been committed by said leaders.



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Old 05-24-2013, 10:49 PM   #167
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Matty, the Bible clearly teaches about those who lived 6000 years ago and worshiped false gods.

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Guys, there is no way that I can give you faith or even present an argument strong enough to encourage you to believe. I can however present you with scientific information that will help you understand where those of us who do believe are coming from. This is not an attempt to change your mind, rather supportive evidence for the faith that those like I have. I cannot debate you endlessly on issues of science (which means knowledge) because I am not a scientist. However I can prove that we are not fools. We have enough supporting information to go along with our faith that allows us to reasonably believe. The following link provides information from a creationist perspective that supports our presumptions about a creator and the universe as we know it. I do not presume to change your mind, only to present you with enough information to stop calling us idiots without evidence.

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I do not belive that this information will change your minds on your Theological perspective. I do however, intend to change your mind about our sanity and intelligence.
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One Scientist opinion..,and a good one.


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Science and miracles

I’m a scientist who believes that miracles can happen. I don’t think I’m all that unusual. I could name a lot of other scientists who believe the same thing, and from time to time they make themselves known – as in this Nature article.
First of all, what’s a miracle? Miracles are signs of God’s particular grace to his people in particular circumstances. They are events that happen in response to prayer or a desire to connect with God. Their mechanism or timing defies normal scientific reasoning, and show us something special about God’s character. I think this is a Biblical definition of a miracle – a sign; a wonder; something that shows us how amazing God is and how much he loves us. And a miracle doesn’t HAVE to defy scientific explanation – some miracles are ‘ordinary’ events with incredible timing.
Why should a scientist believe in this sort of thing? Put quite simply, if God created the universe he can do what he likes with it! We know from experience that things in the universe can often be reduced to ordered, rational principles, like the ‘law’ of gravity, the speed of light, and so on. I believe that God sustains the universe: if he wasn’t there the whole thing would disappear. And God chooses to sustain things in an orderly way – so we get seasons, patterns and the ability to do science. But is God bound by these laws? I don’t think so! Why should he be? Occasionally he chooses to act in a different way: in a way that defies scientific explanation, and the resurrection of Jesus provides a powerful example – something that all Christians believe happened.
Going back to whether a scientific explanation can be found for a miracle, I think our desire to find stories that defy scientific explanation is a symptom of our scientific culture. If you want to say anything significant these days you need some sort of scientific evidence to back it up, and Christians often buy into this. This makes it extremely tempting to spend a lot of time justifying miracles – especially miracles of healing – as events that cannot be explained scientifically, and dismissing miracles that can be explained scientifically as nothing remarkable, when something very remarkable indeed has happened – someone prayed and God acted.
The Bible doesn’t differentiate between miracles that defy scientific explanation (like Jesus turning water into wine) and those that don’t (like the wind blowing all night and driving the waters of the red sea back – the picture in this cartoon I think overdramatises it a little, but it was nonetheless an incredibly remarkable event that etched itself on a whole nation’s consciousness for thousands of years afterwards) – both types of event are possible, and both are ‘signs and wonders’ pointing to God’s incredible power and care for us.
More importantly, Jesus recognised that miracles alone will do nothing to convince people that God is serious about caring for us. Miracles were an important part of Jesus’ ministry, and are still important today, but some of the people who watched Jesus heal person after person were the same people who cheered for his execution. And Jesus himself said that even if someone rises from the dead people still won’t believe if they don’t want to. It’s only within the whole picture of what Jesus came to do that miracles really make sense.

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I’m a scientist who believes that miracles can happen. I don’t think I’m all that unusual. I c<SNIP>
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Yet another pseudo-science fronted Theological shell game.

I like Dawkins' take on the place, which not surprisingly I share.

a. I want a cup of tea
b. I put the water on the boil
c. Physics makes the water boil
d. But I made the tea!
e. Ergo Jesus.
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Pat Condell on islam:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz267A6jhbw

Moving pictures, not just a picture. I would like to hear a rational counter to his opinion, which I share.
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Interesting.

On CNN or some news my dad and I were watching they showed how crucifixes had stayed on a wall through the tornado and how it was god's work.

Really? So he used his power to save two man made plastic crucifixes but allowed seven children to drown just down the road.
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Interesting.

On CNN or some news my dad and I were watching they showed how crucifixes had stayed on a wall through the tornado and how it was god's work.

Really? So he used his power to save two man made plastic crucifixes but allowed seven children to drown just down the road.
Yeah, I never understand how people truly rationalize that kind of 'miracle' when stacked against the amount of havoc incurred.
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Yeah, I never understand how people truly rationalize that kind of 'miracle' when stacked against the amount of havoc incurred.
Confirmation bias.
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Sometimes, maybe most times, people that don't believe in God, or a higher power, misunderstand prayer, and the point of prayer. Prayer is not a child's christmas list to santa. It's not voodoo, or a magic incantation that summons an all powerful Genie to do your bidding. It's sole purpose is to communicate with the unseen creator of the universe, and allow him to communicate with you. Jesus' example of prayer does not place dictates on God, it opens with humility, acknowledging Him, and offering respect to Him, as a child would to a parent, or a citizen to one who is in position of authority.
It looks to Him and releases control of the uncontrollable events, (YOUR kingdom come, YOUR will be done). It asks reasonable, and necessary things (give us this day our daily bread), and for internal guidance and spiritual protection (lead us not into evil but protect us from the evil one).

The power and grace of prayer when come in humility, and respect, is not to suddenly have everything changed, but to have your internal spirit strengthened and renewed (And be renewed in the spirit of your mind EPH 4:23), and that the Lord would give those who are suffering the same internal calm to move beyond tragedy.

God never, ever, promised to make this world perfect in this age. He told Job to get over himself, and in the new testament, it is often acknowledged that in this world there will be strife, hardship, wars, rumors of wars, and calamitous weather events.

One more time, prayer is intended to change people, not circumstance.
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