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Old 07-07-2013, 08:34 PM   #151
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I dont know any hero that blows the whistle and then runs to China and then Russia for help. Shoulda stayed in the states and told the story.
They aren't going to let him tell any story here in the states. If you notice, the media has been on par with the government. It's not shocking to see who runs the media when they want to.
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I dont know any hero that blows the whistle and then runs to China and then Russia for help. Shoulda stayed in the states and told the story.
Do you want to stay in a country where the Government is going to do all it can to quiet what you are saying. And I am not excluding any possibilities when I say quiet. Someone posted a picture/clip of Pres. Obama when he was candidate Sen Obama blasting Pres. Bush for going after whistleblowers. If Pres Obama wanted to show a difference, he could have offered immunity from prosecution to Snowden, then let the story play out. That would have been change to believe in. But now nearly 6 years after candidate Obama vowed to close Guantanemo, it is still open (for good or bad). We are still in Afghanistan (losing lives every day) and our government still operates secret courts with no oversight or true constitutional guarantees.

This isn't a tirade against Pres Obama, but a statement that there are parts of this government that are secretive, unchecked and unconstitutional, and that is a danger to the US way of life.
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Old 07-08-2013, 02:44 AM   #153
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I dont know any hero that blows the whistle and then runs to China and then Russia for help. Shoulda stayed in the states and told the story.
I agree 100% with you. I mean he told the story and then he was like I don't care if you use my real name, I'm ready to accept whatever consequences I face...and yet, here we are playing "Where In The World Is Carnen San Diego" with him
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:15 PM   #154
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I agree 100% with you. I mean he told the story and then he was like I don't care if you use my real name, I'm ready to accept whatever consequences I face...and yet, here we are playing "Where In The World Is Carnen San Diego" with him

Yeah, he really should have stayed around so he could be locked up in solitary confinement with nobody ever hearing a peep from him until he's convicted through our busted ass judicial system.

I think I'll take this guys advice before anybody. He should know, he was in the same situation pretty much.

Daniel Ellsberg: NSA leaker Snowden made the right call - The Washington Post


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^I dont think you can relate the 2 situations as same. Very different time and the media coverage actually would have provided some sort of security for Snowden.

I actually think if he does end up in South America, its gonna be much more dangerous for him. I think our government well have "more options" in dealing with him. But hey, he doesnt fear the consequences.

I think what the public doesnt understand is that passed information to China and Russia puts a lot of people lives at risk around the globe working to keep us safe here. Not just Americans either.
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^I dont think you can relate the 2 situations as same. Very different time and the media coverage actually would have provided some sort of security for Snowden.

I actually think if he does end up in South America, its gonna be much more dangerous for him. I think our government well have "more options" in dealing with him. But hey, he doesnt fear the consequences.

I think what the public doesnt understand is that passed information to China and Russia puts a lot of people lives at risk around the globe working to keep us safe here. Not just Americans either.
Really? How much access has Bradley Manning had? Do tell.


Exactly how are people's lives at stake? You are parroting the exact same statement as many of these governmental agencies/politicians. This isn't a situation where operatives are being outed. Hell, Cheney outed a CIA agent and got Haliburton stock increases, not a jail sentence.
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^I dont think you can relate the 2 situations as same. Very different time and the media coverage actually would have provided some sort of security for Snowden.

I actually think if he does end up in South America, its gonna be much more dangerous for him. I think our government well have "more options" in dealing with him. But hey, he doesnt fear the consequences.

I think what the public doesnt understand is that passed information to China and Russia puts a lot of people lives at risk around the globe working to keep us safe here. Not just Americans either.
This is probably where you and I just roll our eyes and let the anarchists run the asylum
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Old 07-08-2013, 02:35 PM   #158
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This is probably where you and I just roll our eyes and let the anarchists run the asylum
Exactly what does this have to do with anarchists? This isn't about whether government is bad.


The issue at hand here:

1) We have a Constitution that provides for the protection of people's privacy through the 4th amendment.

2) We have a government currently breaking this amendment.

3) We have a informant that rats out the governments illegal activities.

4) We have our politicians backing said program even though they never attended NSA security meeting.

5) We have a president that in 2008 lauded that we needed people within our government to out such illegal activities, yet is now trying to charge such a person with espionage.


This has nothing to do anarchy.
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I think you missed the joke, but anyhow bowing out of the conversation. Always regret joining threads in this forum in the first place
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I think you missed the joke, but anyhow bowing out of the conversation. Always regret joining threads in this forum in the first place
Apparently it did Whoooooooooosh right over my head. Damn you!!

Why do you regret joining in on a conversation that is important to our society and culture as a whole? It would be one thing if people were flipping their wigs or trying to crucify you.
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Apparently it did Whoooooooooosh right over my head. Damn you!!

Why do you regret joining in on a conversation that is important to our society and culture as a whole? It would be one thing if people were flipping their wigs or trying to crucify you.
It's not why I joined this site, in short
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It's not why I joined this site, in short
Fair enough. Neither did any of us I imagine. :P Still some downtime before things start back up in training camp.
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4. They are just doing their jobs. I’m not sure why this is a defense. It didn’t work at Nuremberg. And, it shouldn’t work now. This is not to compare what is happening now as somehow equal to or better or worse than the German holocaust, but to underscore a philosophical point Hannah Arendt made about the nature of modern evil: It’s banal. That means it hasn’t got a pitchfork or horns sprouting out of its head. Rather, it is thousands of ordinary people just doing their jobs.

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Montana the first state to pass spy law - Daily Inter Lake: Local/Montana


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Montana made history this spring after passing the first state law to prevent the government from spying on anyone in the state by tracking personal information stored in their electronic devices.

The new law made Montana a pioneer in the age of electronic privacy rights by requiring state and local government entities to obtain a probable-cause warrant before remotely engaging personal electronic devices.

House Bill 603, sponsored by Rep. Daniel Zolnikov, R-Billings, was signed into law by Gov. Steve Bullock on May 6.
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