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Old 06-12-2013, 09:40 AM   #16
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LOL , and you want to know why people laugh at you? You just compared the Head of NSA to Roger Clemens .

I haven't asked why people are laughing at me, mainly because they are not. Are you so dense that you don't realize that lying to congress is a crime? The fact that you think government officials should be above the law is mind boggling to say the least.


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Old 06-12-2013, 09:48 AM   #17
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Says the person who has never been to a security brief.
There is absolutely nothing that a security brief could tell me that would make me change my mind about the Fourth Amendment. Also, Obama had those briefs prior to his administration and yet he still said he didn't support any of it.


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The Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution restrict government searches and seizures. The amendment reads:

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”
Ron Paul has been in those meetings and he's saying the same thing.


I guess some of you are OK with doing away with the Fourth Amendment completely. We might as well. The whole "if you don't have anything to hide, you shouldn't care" mentality should also apply to your home. Well ****, let the cops and government come search your house at will because....after all, if you have nothing to hide, you shouldn't care. But..but ...that's different. No, no it's not, which is exactly why our founding fathers put that in place.


Also, to think that the government wouldn't use this against political enemies is laughable to say the least. Surely they wouldn't use the IRS to target peo.....oh wait. I'm sure many other agencies have been used to target political enemies as well, and now you want to give them access to your person life. God damn this country and its people have gone to shit. They've bought into this warped mentality that the government is doing what's right for the people and you should sit back and let them go unquestioned and unchecked.
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Old 06-12-2013, 09:50 AM   #18
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I'm torn on this issue. Where do you draw the line? If they are truly just tracking questionable contacts from outside the country then that might not be so bad. If I'm receiving the contacts I would think they would also start tracking me. We just had this administration abusing its power (IRS scandle) so why should we believe them on this issue.
I have no problem with them tracking a particular citizen if they obtained a warrant and went about it the legal way. Just collecting ALL information from citizens is well beyond criminal.
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If they have this much awesome technical firepower, how do things like Boston happen? Particularly given that they were also warned by the Russians and the Saudis.
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Editor's note: The following article should be treated as strictly hypothetical. It has been editorialized to simplify the content in certain areas, while maintaining as much technical detail as we can offer. Companies named in this article have been publicly disclosed, or used in example only. This piece should not be taken necessarily as fact but as a working theory that portrays only one possible implementation of the U.S. National Security Agency's PRISM program as it may exist today. Several ZDNet writers contributed to this report.
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Old 06-12-2013, 10:31 AM   #21
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who has ever said we don't have that type of capability?
It was during the 'Computers should be in charge' thread, I'm too lazy to find it. It happened, trust me....
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Old 06-12-2013, 10:53 AM   #22
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You know what's eery? Bin Laden said this in 2002.

CNN.com - Bin Laden's sole post-September 11 TV interview aired - February 5, 2002

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It was during the 'Computers should be in charge' thread, I'm too lazy to find it. It happened, trust me....
You sure it happened here?

I can't find a thread by that name.
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You sure it happened here?

I can't find a thread by that name.
I looked too... no dice.
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Starts here:

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I figured the robot judge jury thing is what he is referring to, but data collection like the NSA issue is a far cry from having a computerized judicial system. I doubt anyone questions that the government could collect and computerize tons of information.
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I figured the robot judge jury thing is what he is referring to, but data collection like the NSA issue is a far cry from having a computerized judicial system. I doubt anyone questions that the government could collect and computerize tons of information.
It was a thread where I made a statement about the impending Singularity, someone said it wasn't possible as they were an Admin on a network with SQL and I laughed at them. I know that doesn't narrow it down as mocking is my default position.

Not that important as I make outlandish statements all the time, I'm surprised anyone reads anything I post.
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It was a thread where I made a statement about the impending Singularity, someone said it wasn't possible as they were an Admin on a network with SQL and I laughed at them. I know that doesn't narrow it down as mocking is my default position.
I don't think it was on this forum my friend.
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I figured the robot judge jury thing is what he is referring to, but data collection like the NSA issue is a far cry from having a computerized judicial system. I doubt anyone questions that the government could collect and computerize tons of information.
I think it started with the whole judicial system and went onto data collection.

Who knows. Who cares
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