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Old 07-02-2013, 11:19 AM   #121
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Israel uses our aid to commit flagrant human rights violations. For just one example, when Israeli helicopter gunboats mow down innocent civilians in the Gaza strip, those choppers and their ammunition are American made. Many people outside of the USA know this. Therefore, on an international stage, we are perceived as aiding and abetting human rights violations through our aid to Israel.
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Evidence for my assertion above may easily be found on the internet. For JUST ONE recent example, examine why Obama was protested in South Africa the other day, as described in this article:

Anti-Obama protests dispersed by South Africa police

Fact is, in aiding Israel we are widely perceived outside of the USA as aiding human rights violations.
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Fact is, in aiding Israel we are widely perceived outside of the USA as aiding human rights violations.
The OIC thanks you for your assistance with their attempts at islamization of the civilized world. <rolls_eyes>
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The OIC thanks you for your assistance with their attempts at islamization of the civilized world. <rolls_eyes>
So are you saying that Israel is somehow "containing" the spread of Islam? Did we somehow transported back to the Crusade years?
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Given that there are many Palestinian Christians who have been victimized by Israel, we can see that calling out Israel for its AWFUL human rights record can have nothing to do with being pro-Islam.
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So are you saying that Israel is somehow "containing" the spread of Islam? Did we somehow transported back to the Crusade years?
No, Ruhskins, it was my sarcastic way of conveying to Lotus that he's helping proliferate anti-Israel sentiments which in turn advances the OIC's narrative.
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Given that there are many Palestinian Christians who have been victimized by Israel, we can see that calling out Israel for its AWFUL human rights record can have nothing to do with being pro-Islam.
Many? Want to put a number on that or can I call BS on that, too?
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Paliwood, for the uninitiated.
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No, Ruhskins, it was my sarcastic way of conveying to Lotus that he's helping proliferate anti-Israel sentiments which in turn advances the OIC's narrative.
Why does any criticism of US-Israeli relations has to be labeled as anti-Israeli sentiment? Why does the subject of re-thinking the US' approach to Israel have to be off-limits for discussion? I just don't get it. I spent some of my undergrad courses studying the Israeli/Palestinian conflict and it baffles me how much radical the pro-Israel side tends to be in the US. Both sides in the conflict have done a lot of terrible thing, but the US media tends to focus only on attacks against Israeli citizens. Yet they don't mention the deplorable conditions that common Palestinians endure in the occupied zones.

Ironically, a lot of US money ends up being spend on things that affect both sides of this conflict. US aid is spent on bullets and missiles used against Palestinians, and I am sure some of the oil profits end up funding a lot of these terrorist groups that attack Israelis.
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Both sides in the conflict have done a lot of terrible thing<SNIP>
I'm guessing you've not kept a scorecard, have you?

Were you around for the Gaza Greenhouse fiasco?

I am all for examining every International relationship and how we, as a nation, dabble and spend.
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Many? Want to put a number on that or can I call BS on that, too?
200,000 Palestinian Christians is the number which I have seen in most sources.

But my point would hold if the number were one.

Israel oppresses Palestinian Christians just as it does Palestinian Muslims. Therefore criticizing Israel's horrendous human rights record has nothing to do with being pro-Islam.
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200,000 Palestinian Christians is the number which I have seen in most sources.

But my point would hold if the number were one.

Israel oppresses Palestinian Christians just as it does Palestinian Muslims. Therefore criticizing Israel's horrendous human rights record has nothing to do with being pro-Islam.
Please site a source.

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Clapper apologizes for 'erroneous' answer on NSA


It's ok guys, he's "sorry."


Meanwhile, no charges are being brought up on him for lying to Congress. He isn't even removed from his post for lying to Congress. However, expose the government's criminal behavior and you get labeled a "traitor" and charged with espionage.
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Please site a source.

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Go to the gajillion places online which talk about Palestinian Christians. Who do you think lives in Bethlehem? If you don't know that there are many Palestinian Christians, you really don't know anything about the lives of Palestinians.

You might start your education regarding Palestinian Christians here:
IMEU: FACT SHEET: Palestinian Christians in the Holy Land
Philip Farah: Palestinian Christians Against the Occupation

Given your resistance to recognizing a well-known fact, you have allowed me to yet again point out that Israel has a HORRIFIC human rights record, oppressing Palestinian Christians and Muslims alike.

You can read about some of these human rights abuses here:
Amnesty International | Working to Protect Human Rights
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Iran has never been a democracy, in anything but name.

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you mean in like in the 1950's before the US helped bombed it out for the oil companies and put the shah in place?
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