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Old 10-24-2013, 07:22 PM   #106
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The legal definition would prove you wrong.



Due to the rarity of 'bunches of dead kids' I'll go with 'assault', even though I'd compare it with rape for a more honest discussion.
Fine. You prefer dead kids over a potential marginal rise in assaults. I'm glad that I am not one of your kids.

Notice that the potential marginal rise in assault and rape does not have a clear correlation with the Aussie gun ban, as Matty indicated. But even if I grant that correlation, you still choose dead kids.

Most people would be horrified to make that choice, and the same goes with if we talked about rape. Assault and rape, which are deplorable, happen to individuals, usually adults. Also, in the case of Australia we are talking only about a marginal rise. Conversely, mass shootings, the subject of this thread, involve bunches of people, often kids. And the Aussies basically ended such events.

And if you think that shootings of multiple kids is a "rarity," as you say, I suggest that you read a newspaper. Or just read the title of the thread. It has happened multiple times this year and we are still only in October.

I'll never forget that you argued that more kids should die.
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Old 10-24-2013, 07:34 PM   #107
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they actually reduced sky marshall presence on airplanes a long while ago, they were causing more issues than they were worth:
Federal Air Marshal Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Problems run rampant through Federal Air Marshal program: reportÂ* - NY Daily News
Air Marshals: Undercover and Under Arrest - ProPublica
Report on Federal Air Marshal Service paints an unflattering picture - CNN.com

so those people trying to protect us with their guns on planes are instead using their badges to smuggle cocaine and explosives (and child porn). that sure makes me feel safer!
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Old 10-24-2013, 07:49 PM   #108
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Old 10-24-2013, 08:07 PM   #109
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nevermind
Eventually the way I feel anytime I get sucked into one of these threads.
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Old 10-24-2013, 08:32 PM   #110
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Old 10-24-2013, 10:32 PM   #111
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Fine. You prefer dead kids over a potential marginal rise in assaults. I'm glad that I am not one of your kids.
I prefer a *miniscule* possibility of mass murder to the horrendous rise across the board in violent crime afflicted on those in society least able to defend themselves. Here's an article from WSJ, inculding numbers that can easily be verified.

In 2008, the Australian Institute of Criminology reported a decrease of 9% in homicides and a one-third decrease in armed robbery since the 1990s, but an increase of over 40% in assaults and 20% in sexual assaults.

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Notice that the potential marginal rise in assault and rape does not have a clear correlation with the Aussie gun ban, as Matty indicated. But even if I grant that correlation, you still choose dead kids.
I choose the rational position of LESS.

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Most people would be horrified to make that choice
It was your hysterically hypothetical question, I'm not out there killing kids.

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and the same goes with if we talked about rape. Assault and rape, which are deplorable, happen to individuals, usually adults.
What does that mean?

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Also, in the case of Australia we are talking only about a marginal rise.
No, YOU'RE talking about marginal, without substantiating that number. Stop telling lies.

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Conversely, mass shootings, the subject of this thread, involve bunches of people, often kids. And the Aussies basically ended such events.
You're not very good with numbers, are you? How many people died in the Australian massacre? 35 dead, 21 wounded. Now how many THOUSANDS of people have their lives irrevocably changed because someone bigger, stronger than them imposed themselves violently?

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And if you think that shootings of multiple kids is a "rarity," as you say, I suggest that you read a newspaper. Or just read the title of the thread. It has happened multiple times this year and we are still only in October.
Or we could look at the facts with a little bladder control:



Without minimizing the pain and suffering of the hundreds of who have been victimized in senseless attacks, the facts say clearly that the has been no increase in mass killings, and certainly no epidemic. Occasionally, we have witnessed short-term spikes with several shootings clustering close together in time.
In the 1980s, we had a flurry of postal shootings, and the 1990s included a half dozen schoolyard massacres. Other than the copycatting reflected in these cases, the clustering of mass murders is nothing more than random timing and sheer coincidence.


You're far too emotional to discuss the topic, you lack clarity. It must be difficult being as scared as you are so I should cut you some slack.

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I'll never forget that you argued that more kids should die.
J/K! You're still the fantasy world dwelling, bed-wetting, hysterical, hyperbole hurling, intellectual pygmy I've grown to love.

Stick to facts and stop making shit up.

p.s Dear Matty, I hope this meets my quota for insults, my style of rhetoric is extremely hostile (duh!) as opposed to Lotus' syrup-coated line of utter pus. People are free to ignore the thread, contribute, wade in swinging or sit on the sidelines and laugh.
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Old 10-24-2013, 10:46 PM   #112
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People often resort to insults when they've got nothing else.
I resort to insults just cos.
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Old 10-24-2013, 11:11 PM   #113
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I resort to insults just cos.
Cos you've got nothing and acting out like a child is your MO.

Lame.
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Old 10-25-2013, 09:42 AM   #114
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Sure, its as lame as your well-worn "I was obviously joking" ploy. I have every right to match his chosen method of fact distortion with my method of ridicule.

I couldn't find your post that showed a marginal increase in violent crime in Australia after the gun ban went into effect. Please be kind enough to post it and I'll add a reasoned rebuttal.

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Sure, its as lame as your well-worn "I was obviously joking" ploy. I have every right to match his chosen method of fact distortion with my method of ridicule.

I couldn't find your post that showed a marginal increase in violent crime in Australia after the gun ban went into effect. Please be kind enough to post it and I'll add a reasoned rebuttal.

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And I have every right to ask you to tone down the insults and be a little more respectful of people here.

Calling yourself the irritant of the WP doesn't give you license to be an a-hole.
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Old 10-25-2013, 10:17 AM   #116
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In my defence, I didn't use profanity, I just highlighted what I observed as personality flaws. Fine, I'll be more respectful.

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Old 10-25-2013, 10:18 AM   #117
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I still think many of you are off the mark on how to deal with issues. Even if you take away all guns, there still will be mass murder. Taking away guns is only putting a band-aid on the situation. It's like trying to take away violent video games to combat violence.



Also, would you want to be in a situation where only your government/military was allowed to have weapons? Obviously you all put way too much faith into those corrupt assholes, and should be thinking about big picture of things down the road. Such blind faith has caused a many of people to become slaves.
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Re: Another school Shooting Nevada

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I still think many of you are off the mark on how to deal with issues. Even if you take away all guns, there still will be mass murder. Taking away guns is only putting a band-aid on the situation. It's like trying to take away violent video games to combat violence.



Also, would you want to be in a situation where only your government/military was allowed to have weapons? Obviously you all put way too much faith into those corrupt assholes, and should be thinking about big picture of things down the road. Such blind faith has caused a many of people to become slaves.
I think a lot of people here, except for a few, believe that taking or adding guns won't solve anything. There are always a few on each extreme.
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Old 10-25-2013, 11:13 AM   #119
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who's saying take away all the guns? i'm not. it's silly that fighting strawmen is always the kneejerk response.

it's also probably part of the reason why these threads are pretty pointless here.
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Old 10-26-2013, 03:15 PM   #120
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The Great Divide - Gun Laws

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