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Old 05-01-2006, 01:30 PM   #16
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On a side note, did everyone enjoy the collective blowfest of the top three picks? During the WHOLE draft, all we got to see was footage of Bush, Williams and Brick.
Personally I just hate how as soon as you hit the 2nd round, ESPN feels the need to keep recapping the first round over and over again. Then through the whole rest of the draft you're forced to try to play catch up as the players get announced in the background and you have to keep watching a bottom-line ticker to follow what's going on while 15 different people have to comment on what already happened 4 hours ago. For me, I'd rather them just keep current on each pick through at least the first day of the draft and show us film and pluses and minuses of each pick as they happen. I guess they think that only the first round guys can keep America interested, but for those of us who really know football and want to get introduced to every player who gets picked, it's frustrating.

Ok, that's my rant for the day.
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Old 05-01-2006, 01:31 PM   #17
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Seriously though. I mean they were STILL on their knees over Leinhart WAY late in the draft.
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Old 05-01-2006, 01:32 PM   #18
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Seriously though. I mean they were STILL on their knees over Leinhart WAY late in the draft.
Agreed......it's sickening.
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Old 05-01-2006, 01:33 PM   #19
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Former Redskins and current Teaxans GM Charlie Casserly.

We all remember Charlie Casserly for how he built the mighty Redskins dynasty of the 90's with marque franchise players like Heath Schuler and Michael Westbrook.

Now Casserly is helping the Texans establish the same type of dominance that he built with the Redskins throughout the 90's. Let it be told that Ralph Wilson almost took the award but with passing up on Reggie Bush considering all the money he would have brought and the games he would have won we had to give the award to good old Charlie.

I mean lets look at the other succesful D-Lineman selected first overall. Future Hall-of-Famers like Dan Wilkinson, Courtney Brown, Steve Emtman, and Russell Maryland.

Congrads Charlie...You earned it.
Casserly was a Bush guy. Kubiak made this pick because Casserly is out the door. I don't think Casserly is any good either but you can't lay this decision on him really. As for those who think it was a good move. You do not pass on a guy universally regarded as the best player to come out of the draft in years. You do not draft a guy who had an ABOVE AVERAGE college career because he looks big and is fast. At the very least if you think you can get by on passing on Bush you HAVE to find a trade partner. It is called getting value out their pick. They drafted a guy who was not worthy of the first pick with the first pick. That is how you don't do it. You trade back and get some value. If they need defense help anyways Hawk is a safer bet. I gurantee they could have traded to 4 and picked Hawk. The market deteremines what a pick kis worth and they misspent theirs.
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Old 05-01-2006, 01:38 PM   #20
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I thought the pick showed intelligence and restraint. I think too many fans and commentators get caught up in the celebrity of different players and mistake it for value. For me, I'd rather pass on the stars and find those hard-working, gutsy, good-in-the-trenches kind of guys. Not to say that Bush doesn't have talent, but I think Casserly made a wise choice here. (No comment on the wisdom of the Westbrook choice.)

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Maybe so, but when you consider the fact that 15,000 to 20,000 people that had already purchased tickets didn't show up to the games last year, than you have to take a long hard look at the amount of money forfeited in $5 hot dogs and overpriced team apparel. Yes, the Texans are a high revenue team but they are not on the same level as storied franchises like the Redskins and Packers who have fans that will show up no matter what.

Back in Atlanta there use to be a fan that went to every Falcons game and as a result he usually had extra tickets. So to be nice he would leave the extra tickets on his windshield and when he came back to his car after the game he found that other people had left their tickets too. Today you gotta pay way above face value or have some good connections to get Falcons tickets. Remember the Oilers didn't move b/c they were making too much money.

Plus I gotta say I don't agree with Mario Williams being picked #1 overall. I mean 11 sacks in 23 games???? with Manny Lawson and John McCargo on the same line!!!! If this guy is lucky he'll be as good as Trevor Pryce. And how is he getting Julius Pepers comparrions? Peppers had 24.5 sacks in his final two seasons of collegiate football with a line that wasn't nearly as dominant.

And you say they already have a running back. I mean I love Dominick Davis as much of the next guy, late round pick that paid his dues but hes not exactly durable and last year he was the Texans offense.

All in all its like asking the Texans if they would rather have Trevor Pryce or L. Tomlinson.
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Old 05-01-2006, 01:46 PM   #21
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Charley is a pile.
In November 93, Richie Pettibone was struggling in his first year as head coach. Charlie meets Norv at midfield prior to Cowboys v Redskins game to discuss coming to the Skins. A heinous crime. Charlie, for this reason, eeks out Norv as the worst person in Redskins history.
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Old 05-01-2006, 01:46 PM   #22
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Casserly was a Bush guy. Kubiak made this pick because Casserly is out the door. I don't think Casserly is any good either but you can't lay this decision on him really. As for those who think it was a good move. You do not pass on a guy universally regarded as the best player to come out of the draft in years. You do not draft a guy who had an ABOVE AVERAGE college career because he looks big and is fast. At the very least if you think you can get by on passing on Bush you HAVE to find a trade partner. It is called getting value out their pick. They drafted a guy who was not worthy of the first pick with the first pick. That is how you don't do it. You trade back and get some value. If they need defense help anyways Hawk is a safer bet. I gurantee they could have traded to 4 and picked Hawk. The market deteremines what a pick kis worth and they misspent theirs.
From what I heard, almost every team had Bush and Williams 1 and 2 in some order, so I'm not so sure most people in the NFL would agree that Williams was only above average.

I'll agree with you that they should have traded out of the pick, but you don't really know who they would have traded with. If it's the Saints, how much are they really going to get? If you trade with anyone other than the Saints, how do you know that the Saints won't pick Williams at #2? Then you don't have Bush, and you don't have Williams. I suppose they could still take Brick (which, I would actually call a great move if they were able to trade down to 4 and get him), but if you're really sold on Williams (as a lot of teams were), then you have to get your guy. At the end of the day, I don't think we can criticize all that much for the Texans taking a player maybe one position ahead of where he was projected.
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Old 05-01-2006, 01:48 PM   #23
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All in all its like asking the Texans if they would rather have Trevor Pryce or L. Tomlinson.
I'd be willing to bet Bush will never come close to being the back that L.T. is.
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I concur. Bush played on an all-star team. You see how many USC players got taken in the first two rounds?
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And every time he touched the ball he had fresh legs. I mean, if he's really THAT special, then why did USC give the ball to Lendell White more than Reggie Bush? If the Texans deserve the idiot award, then what about USC? They had the allegedly best college football player to come along since God-knows-when.......yet they didn't give him the ball on every play? Or even a majority of their running plays? Doesn't make sense to me.
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Old 05-01-2006, 02:15 PM   #26
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I concur. Bush played on an all-star team. You see how many USC players got taken in the first two rounds?
U cant consider USC an ALLstar tam if they didnt have Reggie Bush,,without Bush they would have sucked,,everytime they needed Offense(BLING) REGGIE BUSH. I had season tickets to the USC games, if bush wasnt there I couldnt have given them away.


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U cant consider USC an ALLstar tam if they didnt have Reggie Bush,,without Bush they would have sucked,,everytime they needed Offense(BLING) REGGIE BUSH. I had season tickets to the USC games, if bush wasnt there I couldnt have given them away.


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Again, if he was so incredible, why wasn't he their primary RB? Why wasn't he in on every play?
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I'll go on record to say the Texans made a mistake in my opinion. When you have a chance to pick up a game changing RB (potentially), you gotta do it. Especially if you are the Texans. It changes their whole offense. They've made some upgrades to their line, they have some good WR's, and to add a Reggie Bush to the mix would instantly upgrade their offense. Teams would have to honor someone that could take it the distance from 80 yards out which would open up the field for everyone. Not to mention boost ticket/merchandise sales for their business.

Not to say that Williams won't be good but its much more of a risk taking an DE. Look at history.
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I heard charlie on the radio this moring,in fairness to him,this pick sounds more like this was kubiacks descision,when asked about trading down he said they had absolutely no offers at all to trade out of the pick,they contacted the jets and the jets werent interested,williams was the guy they wanted so they had to take him 1st because there were no trading partners
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bush was drafted on production, williams was drafted on potential.

the texans felt they had a PB returner, a good RB that can catch and 2 #1 WRs. I think bush should have been the pick anyways, but they decided williams would be a bigger improvement over what they already had.

the best WRs this draft were bush (all around) and vernon davis (not good on deep balls).
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