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Old 11-14-2006, 03:45 AM   #46
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Rogers hasn't been struggling. Seriously. It's like people have that opinion, then they read it and have it themselves. REALLY, what causes anyone to think he's struggling. I think the cushion he gives is due to playcalling, not on his own.
regardless we will need a quality CB to take over for springs when he leaves.
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Old 11-14-2006, 01:15 PM   #47
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Big C -- I agree, with a top 5 pick this year you can trade down and get very nice value, but Im not sold we'll have a top 5 pick this year yet. We wont have a good pick, but doubt we get top 5.

As far as replacing Dockery, this guy has had a realtively good season and has shown solid progression each year in the league. As fans we constantly complain about the FOs lack of patience and letting talent develop, Dockery is developing. Wanna toss an O-linemen under the bus, it's time for a new RT. Jon "Turnstyle" Jansen isn't cutting it anymore.

I still think we fix our defense up. A lot of it depends on what FAs (You know we're going after some) and picks we have. I'd like to see another corner myself. I think Rogers will be just fine, Corner is a tough position, especially in Williams defense, but Springs isnt getting any younger and I'd like to have a guy who knows the system is Springs goes down or retired in the next couple years (that said, Nate Clements will probably be a Washington Redskin, thus eliminating this need, from a 1st round pick standpoint). I think LB will be fine with Washington, Marshall, and McIntosh. D line could use some depth. O line could use some depth.

For the most part -- leave this team alone! Hold on to Vincent and Priolou (sp?) make minor changes where needed, but let these guys gel! No big changes. Work on depth instead of starters.
Spot on. Trade down, and don't F with the young players, just because there is some old FA who played better last year -- I hate that.

As for the team, I'd focus on a single problem at a time. Every year we try to fix all the problems, all at once -- and then we're a lock for the superbowl ... oh brother, it just doesn't work like that.

I'd start a three year plan. The goal of the plan would be to reach the playoffs in three years, and the superbowl in five. I'd spend the first year improving defense, the second year I'd improve rushing offense, and the third year I'd improve passing offense. Hopefully, by the third year, the team is top 10 offensively and defensively.
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Old 11-14-2006, 01:33 PM   #48
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regardless we will need a quality CB to take over for springs when he leaves.
That's why I want Clements in FA and move Springs to safety.
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Old 11-14-2006, 03:06 PM   #49
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we need to make one of those trades like we did with saints when they got ricky williams...think we got like five picks including a future 1st rounder
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That's why I want Clements in FA and move Springs to safety.
springs is the best CB we have, and clements-springs-prioleau would still be better than clements-rogers-springs (imo).

and i'm down with getting more OL depth... we do have an option in todd wade on our roster, but he's not really a starting tackle, and even with jansen playing poorly, i'm not sure he'd be better. we do need a starter on the OL to either keep in reserve or possibly try as a starter at RT or LG, but that'd mean two expensive FA signings (two of CB, DE, OL + draft the other)...

i mean, during the offseason we were talking about CB and OL depth, mid-grade FA LBs, P, K, and DEs... at least WR is taken care of :/.
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Old 11-16-2006, 02:50 AM   #51
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I know its too early, but this mock draft might give everyone an opprotunity to scope out some of these players before the college season is over.

SportingNews.com - Pro Football War Room

In case this link doesn't work I've summerazied below:

1.) Joe Thomas T Wisconsin
2.) Brian Brohm QB Louisville
3.) Brady Quinn QB ND
4.) Frank Okam DT Texas
5.) Ted Ginn Jr WR OSU
6.) Justin Blalock G Texas
7.) Daymeion Hughes CB Cal
8.) Alan Branch DT Michigan
9.) Calvin Johnson WR GT
10.) Baraka Atkins DT Miami (Fla.)-----SN's skins prediction
11.) Zach Miller TE ASU
12.) Leon Hall CB Michigan
13.) Gaines Adams DE Clemson
14.) Kenny Irons RB Auburn
15.) Marcus McCauley CB Fresno St.
16.) Quentin Moss DE Georgia
17.) LaRon Landry S LSU
18.) Adrian Peterson RB Okla.
19.) Josh Beekman G Boston College
20.) Greg Olsen TE Miami (FL)
21.) Paul Posluszny OLB PSU
22.) Marcus Thomas DT Florida
23.) Brandon Meriweather S Miami(FL)
24.) Tony Franklin CB UVA
25.) Tanard Jackson CB Syracuse
26.) Patrick Willis ILB Ole Miss
27.) Aaron Rouse S VT
28.) Zackary Bowmam CB Neb.
29.) Tala Esera G Hawaii
30.) Victor Abiamiri DE ND
31.) Ryan Haris T ND
32.) Aaron Ross CB Texas

*The selections were based on the current standings
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pitcock and okoye are better than atkins, so is gaines (DE)... all their DT ranking seems screwy .
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NFLDraftScout top 50, not including underclassmen (their listed in 2008 and 2009 classes and not integrated). this list will change a lot after combines etc, and is NOT a mock draft, just a talent rating.

1 Quinn, Brady (QB), Notre Dame 1 6-4 228 4.70
2 Thomas, Joe (OT), Wisconsin 1 6-7 310 5.06
3 Adams, Gaines (DE), Clemson 1 6-5 260 4.72
4 Hall, Leon (CB), Michigan 1 5-11 195 4.48
5 Pitcock, Quinn (DT), Ohio State 1 6-3 298 4.95
6 Brown, Levi (OT), Penn State 1 6-4 325 5.28
7 Landry, LaRon (FS), LSU 1 6-2 205 4.48
8 Posluszny, Paul (OLB), Penn State 1 6-2 230 4.58
9 Moses, Quentin (DE), Georgia 1 6-5 252 4.75
10 Blalock, Justin (OT), Texas 1 6-4 330 5.25
11 Willis, Patrick (ILB), Mississippi 1 6-2 232 4.60
12 Samardzija, Jeff (WR), Notre Dame 1 6-5 216 4.50
13 Woodley, LaMarr (DE), Michigan 1 6-1 270 4.68
14 Okoye, Amobi (DT), Louisville 1 6-2 315 5.03
15 Zbikowski, Tom (SS), Notre Dame 1 5-11 214 4.48
16 McCauley, Marcus (CB), Fresno State 1 6-1 198 4.43
17 Carriker, Adam (DE), Nebraska 1 6-6 286 4.86
18 Griffin, Michael (SS), Texas 1 6-1 205 4.48
19 Leonard, Brian (FB), Rutgers 1-2 6-1 238 4.56
20 Grubbs, Ben (OG), Auburn 1-2 6-3 315 5.18
21 Stanton, Drew (QB), Michigan State 1-2 6-3 230 4.79
22 Staley, Joe (OT), Central Michigan 1-2 6-6 305 4.75
23 Irons, Kenny (RB), Auburn 1-2 5-11 202 4.48
24 Smith, Troy (QB), Ohio State 1-2 6-1 212 4.60
25 Hughes, Daymeion (CB), California 1-2 6-0 188 4.54
26 Everett, Earl (OLB), Florida 1-2 6-2 232 4.56
27 Harris, Ryan (OT), Notre Dame 1-2 6-5 295 5.12
28 Crowder, Tim (DE), Texas 1-2 6-3 270 4.76
29 Tyler, Tank (DT), North Carolina State 1-2 6-2 310 5.20
30 Allison, Aundrae (WR), East Carolina 2 6-0 190 4.42
31 Abiamiri, Victor (DE), Notre Dame 2 6-4 264 4.75
32 Brown, Tarell (CB), Texas 2 5-11 192 4.47
33 Beekman, Josh (OG), Boston College 2 6-2 318 5.39
34 Higgins, Johnnie Lee (WR), Texas-El Paso 2 6-0 184 4.41
35 Bowe, Dwayne (WR), LSU 2 6-2 220 4.52
36 Hunt, Tony (RB), Penn State 2 6-0 225 4.54
37 Rouse, Aaron (SS), Virginia Tech 2 6-4 225 4.42
38 Harrell, Justin (DT), Tennessee 2 6-4 305 5.09
39 Bennett, Fred (CB), South Carolina 2 6-2 190 4.45
40 Chandler, Scott (TE), Iowa 2 6-7 256 4.78
41 Spencer, Anthony (DE), Purdue 2 6-3 262 4.67
42 Blades, H.B. (ILB), Pittsburgh 2 5-11 240 4.69
43 Jackson, Tanard (CB), Syracuse 2 6-0 192 4.54
44 Shaw, Tim (OLB), Penn State 2 6-1 235 4.65
45 Thomas, Marcus (DT), Florida 2-3 6-3 290 4.96
46 Ross, Aaron (CB), Texas 2 6-0 192 4.46
47 Sears, Arron (OT), Tennessee 2 6-4 338 5.32
48 Caldwell, Andre (WR), Florida 2-3 6-1 198 4.43
49 Clowney, David (WR), Virginia Tech 2-3 6-1 180 4.32
50 Bush, Michael (RB), Louisville 2-3 6-2 248 4.62
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Tony Franklin as the number two CB in the draft?!

I have seen him play for two years now, and I don't think he is good enough for the first round. Seems like this is a poor CB draft.
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Tony Franklin as the number two CB in the draft?!

I have seen him play for two years now, and I don't think he is good enough for the first round. Seems like this is a poor CB draft.
i think some of the talent eval on that mock is off. on NDS he's the 21st rated CB and a 5-6th round pick.
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i think some of the talent eval on that mock is off. on NDS he's the 21st rated CB and a 5-6th round pick.
That seems to make alot more sense. I think whoever did this mock, just randomly put people he felt were good, onto a list.
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regardless we will need a quality CB to take over for springs when he leaves.
Good point, right on. This question is for everyone.

Lets say for sake of arguement we bring in Nate Clements next year. What happens to Springs?

The three options:

1)We cut Springs, save the cap room and resign/sign a nickelback.

2)We keep Springs on board, demote Rogers and start Clements and Springs.

3)We keep Springs, demote him to the nickle role, and start Rogers along side Clements.

For me the choice is pretty obvious, but I want to hear what the warpath thinks.
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I say choice one, Rogers is improving, and cap space will be nice to help with the AA cut(hopefully)
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Old 11-17-2006, 02:55 AM   #59
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Good point, right on. This question is for everyone.

Lets say for sake of arguement we bring in Nate Clements next year. What happens to Springs?

The three options:

1)We cut Springs, save the cap room and resign/sign a nickelback.

2)We keep Springs on board, demote Rogers and start Clements and Springs.

3)We keep Springs, demote him to the nickle role, and start Rogers along side Clements.

For me the choice is pretty obvious, but I want to hear what the warpath thinks.
cutting springs saves no cap room over keeping him, so that'd make no sense (and oh yeah, springs is still a true #1 CB). it's choice #2, cause rogers hasn't figured out how to play in the NFL yet, and he'd have plenty of snaps there. we could possibly move springs to safety as well.
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Old 11-17-2006, 07:44 AM   #60
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How about we draft defensive linemen so that we actually have a pass rush? Drafting DBs is the wrong approach the problem with the Redskins is that we have not had stud defensive linemen since the 1st Gibbs era. The only time I remember when we had two good DEs is when Dexter Manley and Charles Mann played. We are long overdue to finally build a decent defensive line, and start working on the O-line. In my mind the if the 2007 draft is all d-linemen, O-linemen, and maybe a linebacker or DB for depth. But the lines need to get rebuilt.
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