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Old 01-12-2007, 07:22 PM   #16
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Re: What the 6th Pick is worth.....

Jarvis Moss just declared he will enter the draft (DE Florida). This guy has had some injuries but has overcome and has become a dominant force in college football. Maybe we do take a trade down and snag him in the late to mid 1st round and pick up a 3rd/4th pick??
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Old 01-12-2007, 07:42 PM   #17
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Re: What the 6th Pick is worth.....

if we move up would denver still have rights to our pick?
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Old 01-12-2007, 08:07 PM   #18
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Re: What the 6th Pick is worth.....

Does anyone remember getting trade offers back in '04 when we used the #5 pick on Sean Taylor?

You'd think people would have been banging down the doors for the chance at him or Kellen Winslow Jr. but it never happened.
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Old 01-12-2007, 09:36 PM   #19
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Re: What the 6th Pick is worth.....

This is why the 'skins suck at the draft: They have no patience.

We are so desperate to have someone who impacts us NOW, that we don't see the benifit of taking in a full crop of players who will help us down the road. Generally speaking, first rounders, esecially earlier selections, can be plugged into the starting lineup right away. The reason that teams who build through the draft have success is more because of the later round picks who turn out to be future stars. These players cost very little compared to free agent/high draft pick ups. The only problem is you have to wait. You will not usually get an immediate impact. It's funny, when I read most 'skins fan's posts they seem to echo that, "Who do we need NOW?", mentality. The real advantage to trading down from #6 is that it would give us more chances at cheap, bang-for-the-buck starters and depth/role players who fill out our roster and support our star players. As far as I can see, the Redskins always have their fare share of stars but lack overall quality. That has been the consistant fatal flaw of the team along with no one at quarterback and constant coaching changes. Having an old coach who NEEDS to win NOW, and an owner who desperately WANTS to win NOW only serves to compound this trait which, in turn, ensures our continued struggles.

One must only look across town to the MCI center to see how a team is built through the draft. The Capitals have an embarasment of riches when it comes to organizational depth, but they are not winning, yet. You will see, in a few years as their young stars gain experience, they will be in position to add an important piece or two through free agency and compete year after year for the Stanley Cup. It takes an incredible amount of patience, however. Patience is a trait the Redskins sorely lack.

With that said, what the Redskins as an organization SHOULD do is trade Portis, (Only because of salary and milage, not age or skill. In fact, if the plan is to win NOW, you MUST have a can't miss talent at RB, QB or WR.), and get rid of as many pricey veterans as humanly possible. They should then trade down from their high pick as many times as they can get good lower round value in return while keeping at least two first day selections. Then they should suffer through a couple of down years with a nucleus that includes Cambell, Betts, Cooley and Taylor and slowly aquire a deep and well built foundation. Then, when the salary cap is under control they should SLOWLY add pieces until they have a team that can contend year in and year out.

That, of course, is assuming they believe Cambell is the answer for the future at QB. Not some decent guy but THE piece to build the team around. If after the last two years of watching him everday, they have come to the conclusion that he is in fact NOT the long term solution, you can trade him in the near future while his value is still somewhat high and draft whichever QB in this or next years drafts that fits the Franchise QB mold. None of this makes sense unless you have the QB position solidified. If Campbell is not the answer, trading down only makes sense if this years draft doesn't have the QB you want or a WR who you will eventually play with that QB. If THE QB is there, you do whatever you can to get him. For almost any other type of player you WAIT to see if he falls to you and you have a draft down contingency if he doesn't.

What the Redskins WILL do is draft high, go for the top free agents, and field a team of overpaid millionares who will lack the cohesion to win consistently. But who knows? Maybe we'll get lucky and win it all. That's why being a 'Skins fan is so fun, kind of like betting on green in roulette.

(I know I'm going to get burned for this out of place rant and I'm kind of chuckling to myself imagining the responses, if anyone even takes the time.)
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Old 01-12-2007, 09:48 PM   #20
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Re: What the 6th Pick is worth.....

You'd think by now Redskin nation would have grown tired of the idea that there's any one draft pick or free gent out there who can turn the team around just like that. What I'd love to see is for the team to trade this pick down and pick up a handful of lower round choices. They won't do it, but I can still hope.
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Old 01-13-2007, 06:26 AM   #21
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This is why the 'skins suck at the draft: They have no patience.
I agree with much of what you said. Building through the draft is what we need to return to. Trading away over half our picks has hurt us.

What I think many fans and people at Redskins park hold on to is the memory of Lavar and Samuals being picked in the first round, making an impact, and becoming probowl coggs. Who have we picked up outside of the first round who impacts us? Cooley, definetely, Golston, maybe.

The one player that they should look to to understand your point is Dockery. He was not a high pick, and has been able to make an impact in the last couple of years.

Trading Portis should be evaluated, but I'm not sure I'd go there. I think he comes back next year big for us. He is a player who plays hard and cares about winning even after the big payday.

Also, drafting QB's is like drafting WR's out of college. Hit or miss, 30% chance of success. I don't think you trade much to go after guys like that. Think about the Rivers for Manning trade. Just take the best available guy who you think would fit.
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Old 01-13-2007, 06:53 AM   #22
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Does anyone remember getting trade offers back in '04 when we used the #5 pick on Sean Taylor?

You'd think people would have been banging down the doors for the chance at him or Kellen Winslow Jr. but it never happened.
how do you know this? people may have come calling, but maybe the offers just werent good enough
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Old 01-26-2007, 02:42 PM   #23
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Damn, i'm pretty bored w/ this offseason and its Jan. So hear goes...

Seeing that the skins have several holes to fill on D and some depth issues could the skins load up on draft picks this year by trading down several times.

We have the 6th overall pick. I would imagine we could probably get a middle round 1st (lets say 15-20) and a 3rd potentially. So for our 15th overall we could get a late 1st rounder/early 2nd rounder and a 3rd or 4th rounder. This would turn our only high draft pick into a late first round and two 3rd round draft picks. We could then always trade up w/ our two 3rds to get another 2nd round.

In summary we could have a late first rounder and 2 third round draft picks or a late first round and second round pick.

Either way a late first round could be used on Buster Davis, lb from Florida State, Patrick Willis (mlb) or Paul Pozl. sp?, Penn St. & have 1 or 2 picks left over.

Thought of trading down a couple of times to accumulate more picks or staying w/ the 6th.
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Old 01-26-2007, 02:53 PM   #24
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Or Blades from Pitt as a late first or early 2nd, who is highly regarded.
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Old 01-26-2007, 03:10 PM   #25
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Yea, I'm kinda throwing these things out b/c i'm too lazy to use that value chart. You are right too about our warroom too.

So we would have 3 picks, a late 1st and 2nds. A very good lb and 2 good cb's, maybe a DE. Depends alot on what FA we'll go after. However i think i would take the 3 or 4 high picks. Thoughts....
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Old 01-26-2007, 03:20 PM   #26
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Alright, i checked out the value chart, very cool. We should be able to get some big time value back if we choose to do so.
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Old 01-26-2007, 03:42 PM   #27
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...or Paul Pozl. sp?, Penn St.
I don't think Pozl is considered a first or even second rounder right now. Kiper says he seriosuly struggles in coverage and has been getting over powered at the senior bowl.
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Old 01-27-2007, 07:50 AM   #28
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1st ~deals like that come once in a lifetime and everyone knows this pick has to count for the skins. secondly browns pick before us so.... But i see ur point
I think teams would move up for a chance at Calvin branch and if that was to occur it would be with the likes of Atlanta
you might be a prophet. lelie just opted for free agency. so Atlanta might be in the market for a wide receiver
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Old 01-27-2007, 08:09 AM   #29
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There is absolutely no reason to trade down from #6 without getting a second round pick IMO. We might have to move to #12 0r #13 to do it but I would rather keep the pick if we are talking about a third round pick.

Exactly. No way should we trade the 6th pick and not get a 1st and 2nd. we could trade down towards the middle to end of the 1st round and get a 2nd. the 6th pick is a very very good pick in the draft.
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you might be a prophet. lelie just opted for free agency. so Atlanta might be in the market for a wide receiver
Would Atlanta consider giving us anything for Brandon Llyod?
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