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Old 01-16-2007, 12:26 PM   #16
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Re: Drafting a safety.

I like Ryan Clark, but i don't think that he is neccessarily the answer. If he is cut, sure go for it, what can it hurt?

I'm more for drafting a cb, d-lineman, depending what we do w/ SS.
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Old 01-16-2007, 12:29 PM   #17
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I'm wrong!!???

What's the better option:

1) Maximizing AA for what the entire coaching staff saw as a major talent for our secondary. Wiping the slate clean and figuring out how best to utilize his talents with Taylor. AA could be a great force for our team next year.

or

2) Cutting him after June 1st. Left with another void to fill with another FREE AGENT. Eating 7million in dead cap the following year.

The decision looks like an easy one if you're a Redskins Defensive Coach.
Yes, you are wrong. You said his cap # was too large to cut him and that's what I responded to. It's not too large to cut him as I and many others have outlined many times before on this subject.
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Old 01-16-2007, 12:49 PM   #18
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7 million in dead cap the following year is too large to handle. You only do that when the player is so bad or such a problem its not worth seeing his face another year.

Is AA at that point in your opinion?

Do you not see a scenario where he bounces back and starts?

I can!
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Old 01-16-2007, 12:56 PM   #19
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Hahahaha, totally!
I mean seriously, you are definitely in the minority on this one

But, hey, if the guy comes back, then we'll have to live with it I guess. It just seems like the damage is irrepairable at this point.
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Old 01-16-2007, 01:10 PM   #20
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I mean seriously, you are definitely in the minority on this one

But, hey, if the guy comes back, then we'll have to live with it I guess. It just seems like the damage is irrepairable at this point.

I heard on sportstalk 980 a beat writer from St. Louis (the week before the St. Louis game this year) who was talking about Adam and he could not believe why anyone would gave him the money the Skins did. The beat writer was actually a Skins fan and from the DC area.

The beat writer basically stated that Adam had some serious back injuries (this is the one of the reasons St. Louis did not retain him) and that he is not the same player he was from his days in St. Louis and that his chances of recovering from these back injuries are basically none. If you talk to any doctor concerning a bad back - they never fully heal and for an athelte it is their worst nightmare.

So basically the beat writer says Adam is done as a player - the same guy you saw that got beat in coverage will be the same guy you see next year due to the back injury. Archuleta is basically done at this point as an effective player due to his bad back.
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Old 01-16-2007, 01:12 PM   #21
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Re: Drafting a safety.

It sounded like he had a good exit interview w/the coaches & AA said good things about Gibbs. His teamates also said he handled himself well. Those are the positives, but his play & the potential that he was the mole in the Friend article are big negatives.
I think we should hope that he does stay, that somehow he recovers fully from his neck/back injury of a couple years ago. Some injuries do take players a couple of seasons to get back from, e.g. Trotter's knee injury when he was here. Maybe AA hasn't fully gotten back to his best form. He does move very stiffly, like someone w/a back injury.
I'm hoping he can regain his form, but it might not matter if the relationship w/the coaches has soured that much.
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Old 01-16-2007, 01:25 PM   #22
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I'm hoping he can regain his form, but it might not matter if the relationship w/the coaches has soured that much.
I think that's the biggest reason AA will not be back next year: the coaches don't want him. Who cares about the cap hit? If the coaches don't like him, then he'll probably be gone -- big cap hit or not.
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Old 01-16-2007, 01:47 PM   #23
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I mean seriously, you are definitely in the minority on this one

But, hey, if the guy comes back, then we'll have to live with it I guess. It just seems like the damage is irrepairable at this point.
I agree with Jdaly. I don't think he is going anywere .
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Old 01-16-2007, 01:57 PM   #24
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7 million in dead cap the following year is too large to handle. You only do that when the player is so bad or such a problem its not worth seeing his face another year.

Is AA at that point in your opinion?

Do you not see a scenario where he bounces back and starts?

I can!
It's not too large to handle... they've handled bigger hits in the past so why are you so insistent that they can't handle it this time??

I don't see him bouncing back and starting at all. It just seems as if too many bridges have been burned and it would be best for both sides to cut their ties and start fresh.
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Old 01-16-2007, 02:20 PM   #25
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7 million in dead cap the following year is too large to handle. You only do that when the player is so bad or such a problem its not worth seeing his face another year.

Is AA at that point in your opinion?

Do you not see a scenario where he bounces back and starts?

I can!
This is incorrect. The Redskins seem to have a lot of money tied up in cap figures for the 2008 season (currently stands at $102 million against the $116 million projected cap), but $60 million of it is tied to base salaries which can easily be renegotiated (and will be as the team has historically done). For example, saying goodbye to Brunell sometime before the 2008 season would clear his $6.5 million salary off the books and create almost enough space to handle Archuleta's $7 million deadcap hit alone. In addition, guys like Jansen, Samuels, R Thomas, Portis, Springs, and Marcus Washington are all scheduled to make $4 million or higher in 2008 base salaries. These can easily be renegotiated this time next year to clear another $10-$20 million in 2008 cap space, if the team needs.

The team has plenty of flexibility to not only cut Archuleta, but also cut Brandon Lloyd this year if they wanted to. Should they try to cut both, then they'd be more restricted in free agency. I don't think they'll do that, but they easily have the cap flexibility to create the space they need in both 2007 and 2008.
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Old 01-16-2007, 02:31 PM   #26
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i siad this in another post but We all remember what a beast Matt Bowen was b4 he hurt his knee... wasnt it like 5 sacks in the first 3 games? But he was a liability in coverage too. GW was trying to get a guy like that in AA but benched him for being so weak against the pass, which SOMETIMES is reflective of the pass rush (or lack there of)... but hes a good enough athlete to play in the NFL and for us, maybe we should keep him IF HE WILL RESTRUCTURE to earn a chance prove himself.
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i siad this in another post but We all remember what a beast Matt Bowen was b4 he hurt his knee... wasnt it like 5 sacks in the first 3 games? But he was a liability in coverage too. GW was trying to get a guy like that in AA but benched him for being so weak against the pass, which SOMETIMES is reflective of the pass rush (or lack there of)... but hes a good enough athlete to play in the NFL and for us, maybe we should keep him IF HE WILL RESTRUCTURE to earn a chance prove himself.
Yeah, I'd be in favor of keeping AA at the vet minimum, or close to it. However, I can't see ANY way he'd do that. He's not going to give money back, and we're not going to convert his base salary into signing bonuses as far as restructuring goes.
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Old 01-16-2007, 02:54 PM   #28
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Re: Drafting a safety.

What kind of leverage do you think he'll have: "OK coach, yes I DID get beaten like Malcolm's fiancee each game, but do you really think I'm going to take a pay cut?!"
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Old 01-16-2007, 03:45 PM   #29
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i siad this in another post but We all remember what a beast Matt Bowen was b4 he hurt his knee... wasnt it like 5 sacks in the first 3 games? But he was a liability in coverage too. GW was trying to get a guy like that in AA but benched him for being so weak against the pass, which SOMETIMES is reflective of the pass rush (or lack there of)... but hes a good enough athlete to play in the NFL and for us, maybe we should keep him IF HE WILL RESTRUCTURE to earn a chance prove himself.
Good thought on restructuring AA, but the point is moot on creating cap space for 2007 or 2008. He's on the books to make the vet minimum base salary in 2007, and only $2 million in roster bonus and base salary combined in 2008.

If you're going to try to reduce a player's cap hit by asking them to take a paycut, the only way the cap number can go down is if they reduce the base salary or reduce the roster bonus. Most of Archuleta's cap hit in 2007 and 2008 is tied to his signing bonus. There's no way a player will actually agree to pay back part of his signing bonus. And since Arch is scheduled to make the vet minimum in 2007, you can't go any lower than that.

With Arch, the choices are simple:

1) Keep the bum.
2) Cut him before June 1 and take the $7.6 million cap hit in 2007.
3) Cut him after June 1, save $600K in space in '07, and take the $7 million cap hit in 2008.

Asking for a paycut isn't an option, simply because there's no pay to cut in '07.
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Old 01-16-2007, 03:59 PM   #30
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i understand what your gettin at and your right, he would have no reason to, i was thinking along the lines of restructuring to a more incentive laden deal, but why would he do that either? I guess im still just hoping that we didnt make such a horrible decision getting after him. I was really hoping we could use him like we did Bowen, but w/ the injuries we had this year on DL and CB we couldnt really run alot of those packages w/o people taking deep shots as soon as we bring that package in.
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