Drafting a safety.

Bill B · 01-16-2007, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

Good thought on restructuring AA, but the point is moot on creating cap space for 2007 or 2008. He's on the books to make the vet minimum base salary in 2007, and only $2 million in roster bonus and base salary combined in 2008.

If you're going to try to reduce a player's cap hit by asking them to take a paycut, the only way the cap number can go down is if they reduce the base salary or reduce the roster bonus. Most of Archuleta's cap hit in 2007 and 2008 is tied to his signing bonus. There's no way a player will actually agree to pay back part of his signing bonus. And since Arch is scheduled to make the vet minimum in 2007, you can't go any lower than that.

With Arch, the choices are simple:

1) Keep the bum.
2) Cut him before June 1 and take the $7.6 million cap hit in 2007.
3) Cut him after June 1, save $600K in space in '07, and take the $7 million cap hit in 2008.

Asking for a paycut isn't an option, simply because there's no pay to cut in '07.

Schneed you are dead on as far as cap savings. In addition the NFL implemented another rule after the Lavar Arrington fiasco that prohibits a player from returning a signing bonus in order to gain cap credits. When Lavar "returned" $4 million of his bonus the Skins got this credited to their cap, but after this happened the NFL changed the rule and teams no longer can gain cap space for this type of transaction. So even if AA said "here take back part of my signing bonus" the Skins would not get any credit for the refund.

CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR · 01-16-2007, 05:38 PM

We need to draft dline and then a corner later in the draft. It would be great if we could trade down in the first round and pick up some extra picks. We also need some decent backup oline and another LB too.

Pocket$ $traight · 01-16-2007, 09:23 PM

Safety is the last thing they need to worry about right now. D-line and MLB are much bigger holes. They will do fine with the guys that are already on the team. Just like any sport, you need to be strong in the middle. Stopping the run is goal #1 just listen to any of the embarrassing press conferences.

GTripp0012 · 01-17-2007, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

Safety is the last thing they need to worry about right now. D-line and MLB are much bigger holes. They will do fine with the guys that are already on the team. Just like any sport, you need to be strong in the middle. Stopping the run is goal #1 just listen to any of the embarrassing press conferences.

I agree. I think our safety solution is in house. The D-Line is a much bigger problem. We are old at the ends, weak at the tackles. We also need to bring in a veteran MLB with good cover skills.

This year our line was being blown off the ball in the run game and getting little push in the pass game. I think Andre Carter is bad for our philosophy, but we could build a different philosophy around his skills. That would require us to replace the other 3 guys. Sign a CB, Sign a MLB, draft on the DL.

dmek25 · 01-17-2007, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Ryan Clark might come available.

i would welcome Clark back, but do you think the boys in the front office could swallow their pride, and resign him? sometimes its hard to admit mistakes

SmootSmack · 01-17-2007, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

i would welcome Clark back, but do you think the boys in the front office could swallow their pride, and resign him? sometimes its hard to admit mistakes

If he's actually cut after just one year in Pittsburgh how much leverage would he really have on the market? The Redskins could probably get him back for not much more than they last offered him.

Personally, I think he stays in Pitt

Big C · 01-17-2007, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JDALY27

7 million in dead cap the following year is too large to handle. You only do that when the player is so bad or such a problem its not worth seeing his face another year.

Is AA at that point in your opinion?

Do you not see a scenario where he bounces back and starts?

I can!

i agree with you

dmek25 · 01-17-2007, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

If he's actually cut after just one year in Pittsburgh how much leverage would he really have on the market? The Redskins could probably get him back for not much more than they last offered him.

Personally, I think he stays in Pitt

im not talking about money. im talking about egos, and how hard it is to admit when you are wrong

FRPLG · 01-17-2007, 02:41 PM

We need help at CB, MLB and DL before safety. Hell I'd take a decent mid round prospect at OLB before a safety too. Prilouea(sp? gotta learn how to spell that) played it well for us and I feel he can play ti well again assuming his knee comes back ok. Fox didn't kill us so he'd be fine as a backup. Maybe another Clark type in FA for depth but ultimately I don't think we're going to go get someone better than Pierson.

However we could use some young depth at OLB so I see us almost assuredly using a late pick there. Our first pick ideally gets traded so we can get another pick(or two). If that happens then we get a MLB and maybe a tackle. I imagine the only DE we get would be an impact guy like Adams or Jackson. I could see a decent CB with any extra pick we gte from atrade.

That Guy · 01-19-2007, 07:50 AM

the FA market is deep in LBs... even though you can almost ALWAYS get mid level LBs and safeties cheaply.

draft DL. either a stud DE at 6 (gaines?), or trade down and get a DE and DT in the later 1st/early 2nd. there's a corner worth signing in FA if we want to go that route. I wouldn't spend the #6 on leon myself.

The biggest reason our D blew up was lack of depth. matt bowen, omar stoutmire, walt harris, ryan clark, and lavar arrington all left and were starting for other teams. that means we had 3 starting DBs sitting on our depth chart, and two of those safeties were under prioleau, who, hopefully, will be back to form for next year.

cujo0264 · 01-19-2007, 09:54 AM

I think we need to draft a Middle Linebacker, Marshall is to small to play the middle and Washington needs to fire the safeties coach

Defensewins · 01-19-2007, 11:14 AM

Drafting or signing a FA MLB would solve two problems with one person. Marshall can move over to WLB and fill that postion along with Rocky.

There is talk from the draft experts that say this is one of the strongest class of DE coming out in a long time. There are many good pass rishing DE coming out this year. However our pick is so high, you have to pick the best player regardless of position or trade down.

That Guy · 01-19-2007, 11:32 AM

yeah, this is a good DE class, and probably a good WR class (due to underclassmen declaring). CB is a bit weaker though.

Coff · 01-19-2007, 12:47 PM

[quote=Schneed10;270341]If Clark is let go by the Steelers, could there be a bigger no-brainer in the world?
quote]

A no-brainer for whom? Don't forget, this is the Redskin front office you're talking about.

Coff · 01-19-2007, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

I mean seriously, you are definitely in the minority on this one

But, hey, if the guy comes back, then we'll have to live with it I guess. It just seems like the damage is irrepairable at this point.

And that's something that the coaches will have to decide. The Skins' have more than just 2 options, cut him or start him. As the Lost Season Series in the Post made clear, depth has been a major issue for the Skins. AA would be a great back-up in case anything happens to Taylor. Just because he was a major dissapointment, doesn't justify an emotional response by the Front Office. Of course, justification and reason have not been tenets of Redskin FO policy. There are many things to consider, but first and foremost it must be remembered that just because he is being paid as a starter doesn't mean he has to start. If they do get rid of him, it is important that they replace him, and I would hate to have to replace a player we already have by using a draft pick, esp. since we have so few.

01-16-2007, 05:38 PM	#32
CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: va Age: 45 Posts: 890	Re: Drafting a safety. We need to draft dline and then a corner later in the draft. It would be great if we could trade down in the first round and pick up some extra picks. We also need some decent backup oline and another LB too.

01-16-2007, 09:23 PM	#33
Pocket$ $traight Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Fairfax, VA Age: 36 Posts: 4,261	Re: Drafting a safety. Safety is the last thing they need to worry about right now. D-line and MLB are much bigger holes. They will do fine with the guys that are already on the team. Just like any sport, you need to be strong in the middle. Stopping the run is goal #1 just listen to any of the embarrassing press conferences.

01-17-2007, 02:41 PM	#39
FRPLG Franchise Player Join Date: May 2004 Age: 34 Posts: 9,232	Re: Drafting a safety. We need help at CB, MLB and DL before safety. Hell I'd take a decent mid round prospect at OLB before a safety too. Prilouea(sp? gotta learn how to spell that) played it well for us and I feel he can play ti well again assuming his knee comes back ok. Fox didn't kill us so he'd be fine as a backup. Maybe another Clark type in FA for depth but ultimately I don't think we're going to go get someone better than Pierson. However we could use some young depth at OLB so I see us almost assuredly using a late pick there. Our first pick ideally gets traded so we can get another pick(or two). If that happens then we get a MLB and maybe a tackle. I imagine the only DE we get would be an impact guy like Adams or Jackson. I could see a decent CB with any extra pick we gte from atrade.

01-19-2007, 07:50 AM	#40
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 30 Posts: 15,624	Re: Drafting a safety. the FA market is deep in LBs... even though you can almost ALWAYS get mid level LBs and safeties cheaply. draft DL. either a stud DE at 6 (gaines?), or trade down and get a DE and DT in the later 1st/early 2nd. there's a corner worth signing in FA if we want to go that route. I wouldn't spend the #6 on leon myself. The biggest reason our D blew up was lack of depth. matt bowen, omar stoutmire, walt harris, ryan clark, and lavar arrington all left and were starting for other teams. that means we had 3 starting DBs sitting on our depth chart, and two of those safeties were under prioleau, who, hopefully, will be back to form for next year. __________________ Who says shameless self promotion is stupid? oh yeah, that was me... Click For Tunes!

01-19-2007, 09:54 AM	#41
cujo0264 Camp Scrub Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2	Re: Drafting a safety. I think we need to draft a Middle Linebacker, Marshall is to small to play the middle and Washington needs to fire the safeties coach

01-19-2007, 11:14 AM	#42
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 2,753	Re: Drafting a safety. Drafting or signing a FA MLB would solve two problems with one person. Marshall can move over to WLB and fill that postion along with Rocky. There is talk from the draft experts that say this is one of the strongest class of DE coming out in a long time. There are many good pass rishing DE coming out this year. However our pick is so high, you have to pick the best player regardless of position or trade down.

01-19-2007, 11:32 AM	#43
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 30 Posts: 15,624	Re: Drafting a safety. yeah, this is a good DE class, and probably a good WR class (due to underclassmen declaring). CB is a bit weaker though. __________________ Who says shameless self promotion is stupid? oh yeah, that was me... Click For Tunes!

01-19-2007, 12:47 PM	#44
Coff Impact Rookie Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Halfmoon, NY Posts: 504	Re: Drafting a safety. [quote=Schneed10;270341]If Clark is let go by the Steelers, could there be a bigger no-brainer in the world? quote] A no-brainer for whom? Don't forget, this is the Redskin front office you're talking about.

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