If we do draft Gaines Adams where do we put him?

GTripp0012 · 02-27-2007, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

that is crazy we could play them both look at the colts robert mathis and dwight freeney they both start oposite each other and they each had 10 plus sacks in 2005 we can do that carter and adams would create alot of pressure and cause alot of interceptions for carlos rogers (if he can hold on to them) sean taylor, and hopefully nate clements

Do you really want to strive to be a lesser version of the Colts defense?

Mattyk · 02-27-2007, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Do you really want to strive to be a lesser version of the Colts defense?

Hey they did win the SB and they played great in the postseason.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 02-27-2007, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Hey they did win the SB and they played great in the postseason.

True enough, but I've gotta agree with GTripp, I don't like the idea of two pure-pass rushers lined up as our DEs. It might be good for the pass rush, but hurt our already porous run-defense.

70Chip · 02-27-2007, 01:36 PM

Could we please get off this idea that Adams and Carter are the same player or even comparable. One is a consensus top ten pick and the other was a cast off from a team that won like three games.

Everybody wanted Branch but 1. Like me, the coaches know we don't need a DT as badly as a DE and, 2. it turns out Branch is lazy.

I still say they should trade down though.

GTripp0012 · 02-27-2007, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Hey they did win the SB and they played great in the postseason.

That unit did a heck of a job 4 weeks in a row.

But they clearly overachieved the standard they set for themselves through the entire regular season.

I am hesitant to believe that the Colts defensive system will work for a prolonged period of time without the talent.

GTripp0012 · 02-27-2007, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 70Chip

Could we please get off this idea that Adams and Carter are the same player or even comparable. One is a consensus top ten pick and the other was a cast off from a team that won like three games.

Everybody wanted Branch but 1. Like me, the coaches know we don't need a DT as badly as a DE and, 2. it turns out Branch is lazy.

I still say they should trade down though.

I think that if Adams hits his potential he will be better than Carter vs. both the pass and the run.

But the point remains that he would be replacing Andre Carter, not helping him. Replacing Carter means 10 million MORE pissed away on top of Archuleta's 10 mil and Lloyd's 10 mil.

We don't have the money to keep wasting. We can't afford to not get SOME return on our 2006 investment. We have to make this Carter thing work.

I don't like it, but its the bed we made for ourselves.

skinsfan69 · 02-27-2007, 02:53 PM

Anyone know about this DE from Nebraska? The people at the combine are raving about him. 6'6 290lbs. They say he's strong against the run, and can rush the passer.

GTripp0012 · 02-27-2007, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Anyone know about this DE from Nebraska? The people at the combine are raving about him. 6'6 290lbs. They say he's strong against the run, and can rush the passer.

Carriker.

He's the DE I'd want to have, but we are going to have to trade down to get him. He's probably going to go in the lower third of the first round.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 02-27-2007, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 70Chip

Could we please get off this idea that Adams and Carter are the same player or even comparable. One is a consensus top ten pick and the other was a cast off from a team that won like three games.

They're obviously not exactly alike, but they're definately comparable. Both are speed rushers (I heard Adams called himself as much at the combine), both are about 260 lbs., and neither is known for being stout against the run. I don't see how comparisons can't be drawn. Moreover, I doubt that Adams is particularly strong when he is willing to run the 40 because speed is his strength and is unwilling to do the bench press. His failure to take part in the bench press exercise simply adds to the perception that he is not exactly strong (at least as far as Pro DEs go).

I don't doubt that Adams will have a good career. I don't doubt that Adams is a good pass-rushing DE. But, I do doubt that Adams and Carter would be an effective duo at stopping the run. He seems like more of an OLB in a 3-4 alignment than a true, every-down 4-3 DE.

724Skinsfan · 02-27-2007, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 70Chip

Could we please get off this idea that Adams and Carter are the same player or even comparable. One is a consensus top ten pick and the other was a cast off from a team that won like three games.

Everybody wanted Branch but 1. Like me, the coaches know we don't need a DT as badly as a DE and, 2. it turns out Branch is lazy.

I still say they should trade down though.

You do realize that Andre Carter was drafted #7 overall. Adams may turn out the same way (<---interpret that any way you would like).

TheMalcolmConnection · 02-27-2007, 03:39 PM

Everyone was really on Carter, but is it really the result of him being inadequate as a DE or was it the result of having Warrick Holdman behind him?

724Skinsfan · 02-27-2007, 03:49 PM

No way, if it weren't for him we would have had the #1 Defense.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 02-27-2007, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Everyone was really on Carter, but is it really the result of him being inadequate as a DE or was it the result of having Warrick Holdman behind him?

That's definately a good point. I actually like Carter and think that he will be a good player for us. Carter is definately our best pass-rusher but, while he's not horrible against the run, he's certainly not what I would call "stout against the run."

70Chip · 02-27-2007, 05:15 PM

Like I said, they should try to try to trade down.

If they do though, don't be surprised when the Fedayeen start saying, "We could have had Adams! Fire the FO", as he puts up huge sack numbers for some other team. Also, I realize it's college and its the ACC but when I watched Adams, his play and his physical presence bear no resemblance whatsoever to Ande Carter. Carter gets bulldozed regularly by one guy. Adams was double teamed all last year and didn't budge. And yes he played every down.

Besides, with Smoot in house to mentor him it will be on like Donkey Kong.

Longtimefan · 02-27-2007, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

While you've gotta love his speed I worry about him being a bit of a project type of pick. He needs some serious time in the weight room and behind the kitchen table. I don't see him coming in and starting from day one and being a 3-down starter. In his rookie year I see him being used primarily as a 3rd down pass rusher.

I agree..Would think we would be looking more for an impact player at #6 as opposed to a player who may not be a starting caliber player at this point. A #6 pick would command a huge investment to be a situational player.

02-27-2007, 01:36 PM	#34
70Chip Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Manassas Age: 42 Posts: 3,048	Re: If we do draft Gaines Adams where do we put him? Could we please get off this idea that Adams and Carter are the same player or even comparable. One is a consensus top ten pick and the other was a cast off from a team that won like three games. Everybody wanted Branch but 1. Like me, the coaches know we don't need a DT as badly as a DE and, 2. it turns out Branch is lazy. I still say they should trade down though. __________________ This Monkey's Gone to Heaven

02-27-2007, 02:53 PM	#37
skinsfan69 Franchise Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA. Posts: 8,104	Re: If we do draft Gaines Adams where do we put him? Anyone know about this DE from Nebraska? The people at the combine are raving about him. 6'6 290lbs. They say he's strong against the run, and can rush the passer.

02-27-2007, 03:39 PM	#41
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 31 Posts: 17,119	Re: If we do draft Gaines Adams where do we put him? Everyone was really on Carter, but is it really the result of him being inadequate as a DE or was it the result of having Warrick Holdman behind him? __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

02-27-2007, 03:49 PM	#42
724Skinsfan Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Roanoke, VA Posts: 3,468	Re: If we do draft Gaines Adams where do we put him? No way, if it weren't for him we would have had the #1 Defense. __________________ "I hope I'm getting better. I hope you haven't seen my best." - Jim Zorn

02-27-2007, 05:15 PM	#44
70Chip Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Manassas Age: 42 Posts: 3,048	Re: If we do draft Gaines Adams where do we put him? Like I said, they should try to try to trade down. If they do though, don't be surprised when the Fedayeen start saying, "We could have had Adams! Fire the FO", as he puts up huge sack numbers for some other team. Also, I realize it's college and its the ACC but when I watched Adams, his play and his physical presence bear no resemblance whatsoever to Ande Carter. Carter gets bulldozed regularly by one guy. Adams was double teamed all last year and didn't budge. And yes he played every down. Besides, with Smoot in house to mentor him it will be on like Donkey Kong. __________________ This Monkey's Gone to Heaven

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