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Old 04-17-2007, 01:32 PM   #61
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Re: How good will JaMarcus Russell be at the Pro Level?

Picking a QB with the 1st pick is like playing russian roulette. I wouldnt pick him.
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Old 04-17-2007, 05:30 PM   #62
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nah man he will be a great qb has all the tools
Which worked out wonderful for Akili Smith and Cade McNown.
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Old 04-17-2007, 05:41 PM   #63
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Re: How good will JaMarcus Russell be at the Pro Level?

If you look at all the QB's drafted in the first round the last 20 years I bet less than 50% turned out to be good NFL qb's. A guy with Russell's passing ability comes along once every 10 years or so. Guys with Quinn's ability come along every year.

But if Russell goes to Oak. he doesn't have a chance for a few years. But Quinn could go to Det. and play well right away.
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Old 04-17-2007, 05:43 PM   #64
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A guy with Russell's passing ability comes along once every 10 years or so. Guys with Quinn's ability come along every year.
How do you figure?
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Old 04-17-2007, 07:12 PM   #65
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Re: How good will JaMarcus Russell be at the Pro Level?

i think skinsfan69 has it back wards. every year someone wows all the NFL guys with superior arm strength. but the play making and decision making of someone like Quinn is seen every 5-10 years. i think Quinn is definitely the better pro prospect
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Old 04-17-2007, 09:16 PM   #66
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i think skinsfan69 has it back wards. every year someone wows all the NFL guys with superior arm strength. but the play making and decision making of someone like Quinn is seen every 5-10 years. i think Quinn is definitely the better pro prospect
I agree. My critics might say that I've been on the "Brady Quinn man train" for awhile now.

I don't agree with the notion that necessarily one QB like Quinn comes around every 5-10 years. I mean, Leinart last year is probably a better pro prospect, Rivers and Roethlisberger in 2004, Carson Palmer 4 years ago, maybe even Pennington in 2000. All these guys will probably have better pro careers than Quinn, but this is the type of class Brady Quinn is right on the cusp of.

I completely and utterly agree that a guy like Russell comes along every year and steals the hearts of all the scouts with non NFL football related skills. It's funny really, and it just goes to show how completely off some scouts can be in their analysis...and how unwilling to learn from their mistakes they are. There is NO EXCUSE to not have QB grading down to a near exact science by now (after all these years of trial and error), but I believe that most scouts are ignorant fools.

Quinn just has done in college exactly what it takes to be successful at the next level: a long and successful college career.

Russell would have been quite a pro prospect if he stayed in school another year, but the best he can hope for now is to be the next Rex Grossman, and get on a team that has a SB caliber defense and play adequately enough to win a championship.

With the massive success of guys like Pennington and Leinart, there's really no excuse to fall into the arm strength trap anymore. This goes double when people bad mouth a guy like Quinn, who has more than adequate arm strength.

I've seen numerous comparisions between Russell's 60 yd "butt throw", and Kyle Boller's 50 yard throw from one knee. It's beyond baffling that the people making these comparision actually haven't bothered to stop and look at how Kyle Boller actually turned out.

This leaves me with one conclusion: NFL scouts are completely and utterly clueless when it comes to projecting college players, especially QBs.
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Which worked out wonderful for Akili Smith and Cade McNown.

and mcnabb and marino and montana and manning i can go on and on but i fear i will die listing names
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How do you figure?

you know guys like leinart,cutler, alex smith, carson palmer,
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Masterfully written article by John Clayton illustrating my point:

ESPN.com - NFL/DRAFT07 - Clayton: Evaluating QBs just got tougher
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Old 04-17-2007, 09:45 PM   #70
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and mcnabb and marino and montana and manning i can go on and on but i fear i will die listing names
Quake, I have no idea what your point is. Mine is that physical skills count for next to nothing at this level.

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Masterfully written article by John Clayton illustrating my point:

ESPN.com - NFL/DRAFT07 - Clayton: Evaluating QBs just got tougher

u have a point but so do i just showing that draft picking is not a science it is a luck thing
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Quake, I have no idea what your point is. Mine is that physical skills count for next to nothing at this level.

Damn, do I admire your sig though.

my point is that once again there is no sure thing when it comes to drafting anybody thats all i am trying to say
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u have a point but so do i just showing that draft picking is not a science it is a luck thing
At some point, you just have to hope you picked the right guy. That doesn't mean that certain features (like college experience) generally indicate a good prospect.

At QB, however, its a whole different animal. There is just so much data on college QBs that we can easily correlate any first round talent with the busts of the last ten years or the guys who panned out. Like, I can say with 99% certainty that Quinn>Russell. Brady Quinn just has to stay healthy and avoid circumstances that could ruin his career. Russell should have stayed in school one more year.
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At some point, you just have to hope you picked the right guy. That doesn't mean that certain features (like college experience) generally indicate a good prospect.

At QB, however, its a whole different animal. There is just so much data on college QBs that we can easily correlate any first round talent with the busts of the last ten years or the guys who panned out. Like, I can say with 99% certainty that Quinn>Russell. Brady Quinn just has to stay healthy and avoid circumstances that could ruin his career. Russell should have stayed in school one more year.

god man i respect the hell out of you but i just cant put quinn over russell man i just cant inhave weighed every possible option and i just cant
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Old 04-17-2007, 11:26 PM   #75
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god man i respect the hell out of you but i just cant put quinn over russell man i just cant inhave weighed every possible option and i just cant
That's cool.

I think you are a smarter talent evaluator than Todd McShay anyway.

Everybody is entited to their opinion, but at some point, a lot of the scouts that ignore college stats for more flashy things like arm are going to get their roles reduced within their respective organizations and have their duties handed over to the better, more objective scouts.

NFL teams will get this QB scouting thing down to a science soon. IMO, it's just a tragedy that they haven't yet. You just have to wonder how many times Scouts can screw up and make excuses before the teams go hire someone else.

The Redskins actually have a really good college scouting department. It's too bad we trade all of our draft picks because I think the guys in our scouting department give us an inherent drafting advantage over most other teams. We seem to choose not to exercise this advantage.

Eventually teams will catch up to Philadelphia and NE in drafting the right guys because, after all, its really not rocket science. You pick the most talented guy with a good deal of experience at a need position, and hope that he doesn't unexpectedly bust. Avoiding underclassmen is a good way to cut down on busts.

And that right there is the source of the whole scouting issue. The fact that these guys think that they are one of only a select few in the world that can do their job. Learning how to be a good scout takes little experience as long as you are observant and willing to learn from past errors. Most guys in the league today simply aren't.
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