RUMOR: Skins looking to trade up for C.J.

Big C · 03-20-2007, 12:59 PM

on the value chart the #2 pick is 2600 points, and #6 is 1600 points. by that chart, if we gave up a future first, we would be getting ripped off if we had the 14th or higher pick next year, 15th would be even, and 16th and lower would be a steal for us.

skinsfan_nn · 03-20-2007, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JankySpanky80

its looking more and more like if C.J. is still on the board at #2 the skins will make a trade with Detroit. Detroit doesn't need a WR (nor do the Skins) and a 1st rounder this year and a 1st rounder next year plus a couple of players. C.J. will be a star in this league for years to come. The guy is naturally talented. If the Skins do find a way to get him i willing to bet he would push Moss to No. 2 right away.

Jank, I wouldn't hold my breath on this one.

Yea this guy has serious upside ....no doubt. But were not trading up.

And SM #2 right away? Are you kiddin?

GoSkins! · 03-20-2007, 02:24 PM

If Gibbs believes that we will be good this year, he may be thinking that giving up next years number one pick to move up would be worth it. I do agree with ThatGuy in that you can't cover both CJ and Moss. Our offense would really be set for a long time.

skinsfan69 · 03-20-2007, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Bunch of well thought out posts on this thread so far. This is why I come here.

But even if we were to add Calvin Johnson to the roster, his biggest asset would be blocking for portis on outside runs. After all, BOTH Cooley and Moss are more dangerous than Johnson with the ball in their hands. Moss is lightning quick and Cooley runs with a bunch of power and balance.

What do we know about CJ after the catch? Not very much, that's what.

I would much rather see the ball in the hands of Moss and Cooley, and being run by Portis and Betts than going downfield with a 28% of completion to Calvin Johnson.

Because damn if it's unsucccessful and we have to punt...we are never going to catch the other team in score with our defense.

Did you see this guy play??????????????????? The last thing I would worry about is CJ after the catch. Trust me. Guy played w/ a terrible college QB and still was a beast. Cooley is a nice TE but he can't run like this guy. Not even close. Just his size, jumping ability and physicality alone will cause all kinds of problems in the red zone where we seem to stuggle.

I would LOVE to see Moss and CJ as our starting WR's w/ ARE as a 3rd wideout and Cooley at TE. Plus Portis and Betts as RB's?? We would have an unstopable offense. I hope like hell we get this guy cause he is the best player in the draft.

skinsfan_nn · 03-20-2007, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

yeah, well, i really don't think we're moving up and i don't think it'd be a good idea anyways. if he falls though i'd at least consider him, but i know our DL is in a bad way right now.

I don't think were moving up either. At least I hope not!
The last thing we need to do is start giving next years picks away? Haven't we learned anything?
Move DOWN get more draft picks.......get the defensive help we NEED!
Not to say this kid won't be good or better? Who knows....he hasn't played at this level. We NEED to adress our NEEDS, and stop throwing away draft picks, they are way to valuable!

ArtMonkDrillz · 03-20-2007, 04:16 PM

Well, Michael Smith on NFL Live just said the Redskins were the best fit for Johnson, so it must be so.

As much as I'd rather trade down to get more picks, and get a good DT, I'd love to see an offense with Moss, Johnson, ARE, Cooley, and Portis.

Mattyk · 03-20-2007, 04:25 PM

Do we really need more weapons on offense though?

I'd really hate to see us trade up.

skinsfan_nn · 03-20-2007, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

Well, Michael Smith on NFL Live just said the Redskins were the best fit for Johnson, so it must be so.

As much as I'd rather trade down to get more picks, and get a good DT, I'd love to see an offense with Moss, Johnson, ARE, Cooley, and Portis.

Just because "another" reporter like Michael Smith says the SKINS are the BEST fit.....it must be so?

These are just reporters like the ones at PFT, etc., just an opinion.
I'd like to see us get a great potential WR, but I think our NEEDS are very different. I quess we'll know more next month......after about 5 thousand different reporters give us 5 thousand different reports of who we will be drafting.

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-20-2007, 04:31 PM

Part of me is considering CJ as well. I mean we made some moves on D. I'd love to see if GW could get this ship turned around just with Fletcher-Baker, THEN we go DT or DE next year if we suck so much ass we have to pick early again.

But again, I'm also of the opinion that as long as we DON'T take RB or QB, I'm fine.

skinsfan_nn · 03-20-2007, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Part of me is considering CJ as well. I mean we made some moves on D. I'd love to see if GW could get this ship turned around just with Fletcher-Baker, THEN we go DT or DE next year if we suck so much ass we have to pick early again.

But again, I'm also of the opinion that as long as we DON'T take RB or QB, I'm fine.

Do you think you can turn around a 31st ranked D with FLETCH? Or even Fletch/ Smoot? Come on, that's just crazy.

I hope also we don't get a QB/RB in the draft, cause we don't need either?

GoSkins! · 03-20-2007, 04:37 PM

For arguements sake...
If CJ is still available at 4, the 4th pick is valued at 1800 and the 6th is 1600. We could probably come up with something that wouldn't break the bank to trade with Tampa. They really don't need another WR, but will feel forced to take the obvious best player on the board unless they have a reason not to. That could be a senario that the skins would explore if they really are not happy with the defensive players available that high and they can't trade down for more picks.

Schneed10 · 03-20-2007, 04:44 PM

This thread has snowballed out of control. It's like a few people on here got excited about an offense with CJ, started describing the possibilities, a few more people read those posts, they got excited, and before you know it people are actually thinking it's a good idea to trade up to get him.

If he fell to us at #6, I can see the logic in refusing to pass up on him. But trading up? Guys, this is a team sport. One player does not a team make.

We need multiple talented players.

CJ seems like an unbelievable prospect. But what if we traded down and acquired a 2nd and a 3rd rounder? People are getting all excited about CJ, but seem to be forgetting that a 2nd or 3rd round pick can turn into a Guard who ends up to be the next Steve Hutchinson.

Hell, Clinton Portis was a 2nd rounder.

CJ isn't the only stud out there this year. We just have to be shrewd, do our homework, and unearth the gems.

GiantsSuck703 · 03-20-2007, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CooleyFan47

CJ is a sweet player, and any team that lands him is going to immediately improve. I would love the skins to draft him, but we cant in our current situation. The only thing Im hoping for is that another NFC East team doesnt make the move to land him themselves...

Why not? do you think we have a realistic shot at the superbowl next season? I think we could wait until 08' when we have a near handful of draft picks, or we could just trade springs for a 2nd or 3rd and draft quinton moses, he is dropping big time and i wouldnt be suprised if he ends up in the 4th-5th round.

GiantsSuck703 · 03-20-2007, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RMSkins

I don't know about you guys but it seems like the stupidity of trading up to get C.J. is more like a Steve Spurrier move rather than a Joe Gibbs move if you ask me.

I say draft him if he falls, but we cant trade up, thats a horrible idea, he is a hell of a player, but we will have to give up picks next year to move up and i dont see the point in that.

skinsfan242 · 03-20-2007, 04:52 PM

Why would we ever trade up??? It makes no sense. Just let Detroit take him so he won't affect anything, he will be stuck in Detroit. If they do, Quinn or Peterson will slip down to six and our pick will become very valuable to trade down. We can still get a great player, maybe L. Landry at 8 and a DE at 40. Or Amobi at 8 and Grubbs at 40.

03-20-2007, 12:59 PM	#61
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Fairfax, Virginia Age: 27 Posts: 4,423	Re: RUMOR: Skins looking to trade up for C.J. on the value chart the #2 pick is 2600 points, and #6 is 1600 points. by that chart, if we gave up a future first, we would be getting ripped off if we had the 14th or higher pick next year, 15th would be even, and 16th and lower would be a steal for us. __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

03-20-2007, 02:24 PM	#63
GoSkins! The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Yorktown, Va Age: 43 Posts: 1,576	Re: RUMOR: Skins looking to trade up for C.J. If Gibbs believes that we will be good this year, he may be thinking that giving up next years number one pick to move up would be worth it. I do agree with ThatGuy in that you can't cover both CJ and Moss. Our offense would really be set for a long time. __________________ Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts. A. Einstien

03-20-2007, 04:16 PM	#66
ArtMonkDrillz Franchise Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, MD Age: 30 Posts: 7,758	Re: RUMOR: Skins looking to trade up for C.J. Well, Michael Smith on NFL Live just said the Redskins were the best fit for Johnson, so it must be so. As much as I'd rather trade down to get more picks, and get a good DT, I'd love to see an offense with Moss, Johnson, ARE, Cooley, and Portis. __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

03-20-2007, 04:25 PM	#67
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03-20-2007, 04:31 PM	#69
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 31 Posts: 17,120	Re: RUMOR: Skins looking to trade up for C.J. Part of me is considering CJ as well. I mean we made some moves on D. I'd love to see if GW could get this ship turned around just with Fletcher-Baker, THEN we go DT or DE next year if we suck so much ass we have to pick early again. But again, I'm also of the opinion that as long as we DON'T take RB or QB, I'm fine. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

03-20-2007, 04:37 PM	#71
GoSkins! The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Yorktown, Va Age: 43 Posts: 1,576	Re: RUMOR: Skins looking to trade up for C.J. For arguements sake... If CJ is still available at 4, the 4th pick is valued at 1800 and the 6th is 1600. We could probably come up with something that wouldn't break the bank to trade with Tampa. They really don't need another WR, but will feel forced to take the obvious best player on the board unless they have a reason not to. That could be a senario that the skins would explore if they really are not happy with the defensive players available that high and they can't trade down for more picks. __________________ Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts. A. Einstien

03-20-2007, 04:44 PM	#72
Schneed10 RG Glee Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 33 Posts: 7,896	Re: RUMOR: Skins looking to trade up for C.J. This thread has snowballed out of control. It's like a few people on here got excited about an offense with CJ, started describing the possibilities, a few more people read those posts, they got excited, and before you know it people are actually thinking it's a good idea to trade up to get him. If he fell to us at #6, I can see the logic in refusing to pass up on him. But trading up? Guys, this is a team sport. One player does not a team make. We need multiple talented players. CJ seems like an unbelievable prospect. But what if we traded down and acquired a 2nd and a 3rd rounder? People are getting all excited about CJ, but seem to be forgetting that a 2nd or 3rd round pick can turn into a Guard who ends up to be the next Steve Hutchinson. Hell, Clinton Portis was a 2nd rounder. CJ isn't the only stud out there this year. We just have to be shrewd, do our homework, and unearth the gems. __________________ Skins' Salary Cap Status \| CrazyCanuck's Cap Figures by Player \| Salary Cap 101

03-20-2007, 04:52 PM	#75
skinsfan242 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 152	Re: RUMOR: Skins looking to trade up for C.J. Why would we ever trade up??? It makes no sense. Just let Detroit take him so he won't affect anything, he will be stuck in Detroit. If they do, Quinn or Peterson will slip down to six and our pick will become very valuable to trade down. We can still get a great player, maybe L. Landry at 8 and a DE at 40. Or Amobi at 8 and Grubbs at 40.

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